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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville
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Reading some good interview questions and thought I'd write some of them out and hash 'em out with ya'll 1) Taxi out, RVR is 600, can we take off? Why/Why not? 2) On taxi out, the touchdown zone RVR goes out. Can we take off? 3) RVR is 2000, tower reports 600 RVR, rollout is inop, can you land? 4) On the approach, glideslope goes inop. What do you do? 5) Center tells you to cross XYZ VOR at 15,000'. You're 20 miles out and notice the crossing restriction is 10,000'. What do you do? Assume part 121 when discussing.
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I'll answer with Part 135 knowledge just to mess ya up! Quote:
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I'd assume that this would be similar to a crossing restriction given by ATC. For instance, at 40 mi. out center says while cruisng at 15,000, "Cessna 1234, cross ABC VOR at 7,000". I typically start down maybe 15 miles out for my 7000'. Thoughts?
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2) Yes, assuming you still have mid and rollout RVRs, as well as centerline lights and markings. 3) Touchdown RVR is controlling, if it is 2000, then yes. On the other hand, the tower simply reports the runway RVR, so this situation is not realistic. 4) Go missed, you weren't cleared for the localizer, you were cleared for the ILS. 5) Need more info. Is this an MCA? Absolute crossing restriction? If it were absolute (not common) and the controller didn't say anything regarding it, then I would query him. It it is an MCA then it doesn't matter, cross it at 15000.
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Now if the chart says to cross AT 10k or Below, you had better ask wtf is up. ATC should also give you a reason when . . . Cross XYZ at 15k, seperation for arrival traffic," etc etc. | |
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Not saying your're wrong at all, but can you give me a reference (maybe AIM) where it says that ATC instructions supercede published crossing restrictions (MCA or abolutes). Thx.
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Would they even know though? I never thought of that, but the procedure still would follow the same track as the ILS, so maybe just mentioning to the tower that you were doing LOC only would be enough? I figured that would be similar to changing from a straight in to a circle to land at the last minute, for a sudden wind change or whatnot. | |
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You changed the question on us. On your first post you said atc gave you a cross xyz vor at 15000 and the chart said 10000. Now you are saying atc gave you a descent to 15000. Two different scenarios, two possibly different solutions. Nathan Larson ZKC ATC CFI | |
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My bad.. This scenario - We are 20 miles out form an intersection and ATC tells us to descend to 15,000 and then we start getting closer but the crossing restriction is 10,000 feet, what do we do?
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merit, you can pull up the 7110.65 and read it. . . check the non-radar section. Quote:
ATC: XYZ1111, Descend and maintain 15k, cross XYZ VOR at and maintain 10k. Is this the instruction they are giving you? If it is. . . then you do exactly as they told you. . .descend and maintain 15k, then when needed, continue the descent down to 10k to cross the fix. ATC: XYZ1111, Descend and maintain 15k. If this is what they are giving you then you do just that, down to 15k you go. If you reach your TOD for the fix on the chart that has a mandatory crossing restriction, and ATC has yet to tell you to meet it. . . then you could querry them about it. But don't expect them to tell you to go right on down to meet the restriction. I reference 7110.65 Chapter 4 - IFR - Section 5. Understand also though, that there is a LOT of lee-way provided to controllers. Read the first couple pages of the .65, there is a sentence that essentially states that controllers can change anything in the 7110.65 for the sake of seperation. | ||
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville
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| ATC never came on and told you to cross it at 10. You notice that the crossing restiction is 10 on your chart. You're flying at 15 though. How much more simple can I lay it out?
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Then you stay at 15k. Not complicated at all. Of course you are free to ask them if they want you to go down to 10k to meet the restriction on the paper chart, but the controller may not appreciate you questioning his judgement. ![]() He/She has a much bigger view of the environment than you do flying in your cockpit. |
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It may be 10 minutes. . . it may be three and a half hour away. . . if that. |
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