Improper WB NTSB report?

[SierraPilot123]

Does anyone know off the top of their head an NTSB report that showed improper WB to be the cause of an aircraft accident? Thanks

[Doug Taylor]

I know a couple "cargo shift" accidents, but nothing specifically about W&B off the top of my head.

[Stone Cold]

I don't remember the singer's name, but there was a singer a few years back that died in a crash, and I believe they determined the PC to be W&B. It was down in the Carribbean. Anybody remember the accident I'm talking about? Supposedly, the pilot was fairly new and didn't put his foot down on only taking so much weight.

[SierraPilot123]

Ya cargo shift could work. I just to want to give a real world/dcoumented example to my students. The one's I have found on google talk about it as a contributing factor, but not primary.

[SierraPilot123]

Originally Posted by txpilot

I don't remember the singer's name, but there was a singer a few years back that died in a crash, and I believe they determined the PC to be W&B. It was down in the Carribbean. Anybody remember the accident I'm talking about? Supposedly, the pilot was fairly new and didn't put his foot down on only taking so much weight.

Oh I think you are talking about the R&B singer. I will try to dig that up.

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by SierraPilot123

Oh I think you are talking about the R&B singer. I will try to dig that up.

That's the one...still can't remember her name, though. It will be out there in the google world, though.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by txpilot

That's the one...still can't remember her name, though. It will be out there in the google world, though.

She was in that "Queen of the Damned" movie too.

Dated R. Kelley for a bit... Can't quite remember her name either.

[Minnesota_Flyer]

AAliyah

Marsh Harbour, Abaco Island, Bahamas.

There was also that turboprop TO crash a few years ago. PC was a combination of a misrigged elevator and out of envelope W&B.

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

She was in that "Queen of the Damned" movie too.

Dated R. Kelley for a bit... Can't quite remember her name either.

Aaliyah

[darrenf]

Damn Minnesota, you beat me by seconds.

[Stone Cold]

Thanks, that's the one I was thinking of...Aaliyah.

[SierraPilot123]

Ah yes that helps. I found some good examples on AOPA http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2002/sp0209.html


Thanks guys.

[Minnesota_Flyer]

Originally Posted by darrenf

Damn Minnesota, you beat me by seconds.

Bwhahahahahaha!!!

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by Minnesota_Flyer

AAliyah

Marsh Harbour, Abaco Island, Bahamas.

You can't see it in the picture but there a few aircraft tails sticking out of the marsh. Not the 402 (I think) that she crashed in, but a bunch of others. If I recall they also took of with a tail wind. Unfortunatly that happens a lot at Marsh Harbor as there is no taxi way and it is a LONG back taxi from the terminal to the other end of the runway.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by SierraPilot123

Ya cargo shift could work. I just to want to give a real world/dcoumented example to my students. The one's I have found on google talk about it as a contributing factor, but not primary.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...18/MN68288.DTL
They thought that was a weight and balance issue, but found it rather to be an elevator linkage.


This airplane, http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...20X01664&key=1 , did not make it very far. A World Airways MD-11 was to be ferried 2-engine from Anchorage. The procedure was to have the center gear retracted. Weight and Balance calculations failed to take the center gear retracted into account - - when they pushed 1 & 3 up for takeoff, the airplane did a wheelie.
OUCH!


This Canadair CL-600 seems to have a little weight and balance issue: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?...04IA054&akey=1



Here's one that hits close to home, involving a lateral imbalance: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X28217&key=1



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[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

She was in that "Queen of the Damned" movie too.

Dated R. Kelley for a bit... Can't quite remember her name either.

I could say so many things, Dough . . .

[Doug Taylor]

Hey! Takin' a break, Lloyd?

[SierraPilot123]

Thanks for the links TonyC

[surreal1221]

Also the B1900 out of CLT a few years back. . . may have eventually been an elevator linkage / improper trim issue.

Actually, a number of PCs.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...10X00049&key=1

[PacMan4x4]

I did a report for my Accident Investigation course on the Fine Air crash in Florida. If memory serves correctly....actually I'll just copy the below excerpt. This would be a good one for you for improper W/B. Hope it helps.

Flight 101 was initially scheduled to depart Miami for Santo Domingo at 09:15 on the accident day using another DC-8, N30UA. When that aircraft was delayed on another flight, the accident aircraft, N27UA was substituted and departure rescheduled for 12:00. Employees of the company with wet lease arrangements with Fine Air, Aeromar C por A, fueled and loaded the aircraft. Aeromar planned to ship 88,923 pounds of cargo on the originally-scheduled N30UA.

According to the NTSB, a Fine Air flight follower who recalculated weight and balance for N27UA, a heavier aircraft, determined that approximately 1,000 pounds of cargo would need to be removed from the proposed load. This request was communicated to an Aeromar security guard who stated that he contacted the Aeromar operations manager by phone at home. The security guard stated that the operations manager instructed him to alter the cargo loading form to reflect a 1,000-pound reduction for a particular pallet location; the manager reportedly then stated that he would ensure that the cargo was removed when he arrived at work. The revised form reflecting the requested 1,000-pound cargo weight reduction was then faxed to Fine Air, which issued a revised pallet loading form based on the indicated weight reduction and pallet location. The Aeromar operations manager later told NTSB investigators that he forgot to give instructions to remove the weight when he arrived at work, and that no weight was removed.