MEI as initial.

desertdog71 · August 23rd, 2006, 00:33

Just a quick question. When doing the MEI as initial, do you cover pretty much EVERYTHING on the oral portion? or is it just ME specific?

N422NM · August 23rd, 2006, 00:41

For the most part mine was ME specific, but we did get into some single engine aerodynamics...which worked out because I used the same guy for the Single engine CFI and the oral was real easy becuase he had heard me talk about it before.

meritflyer · August 23rd, 2006, 00:53

Ditto. ME specific.

kellwolf · August 23rd, 2006, 13:32

Depends on the examiner/inspector. I did the CFI-I as the initial, but you have to expect just about anything on it. We had a guy bust for lack of TAILWHEEL knowledge at the FSDO. The FOI for sure will be on there, as will aeromedical factors (which I got a LOT of questions on).

N422NM · August 23rd, 2006, 16:32

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Originally Posted by kellwolf

We had a guy bust for lack of TAILWHEEL knowledge at the FSDO.

My DPE hammered me about tailwheel stuff. Yes, I'm endorsed in a taildragger so maybe that's why, but I don't plan to instruct in the future in one (at least right now...)

He was, really, a ###### bag... one of those guys that seemed to want to impress me with his "I've made 30,000 landings..." He didn't like it when I said "well, there's always the 30,001st to screw up on..."

Champcar · August 23rd, 2006, 18:43

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Originally Posted by N422NM

My DPE hammered me about tailwheel stuff. Yes, I'm endorsed in a taildragger so maybe that's why, but I don't plan to instruct in the future in one (at least right now...)

He was, really, a ###### bag... one of those guys that seemed to want to impress me with his "I've made 30,000 landings..." He didn't like it when I said "well, there's always the 30,001st to screw up on..."

I hear he can't stop a spin for crap

flyguy · August 23rd, 2006, 23:43

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Originally Posted by desertdog71

Just a quick question. When doing the MEI as initial, do you cover pretty much EVERYTHING on the oral portion? or is it just ME specific?

Have a look in the CFI-ME PTS under the task table. If you do not have any CFI ratings, you must do the entire CFI oral according to the PTS. The only thing you will not have to do is SE specific items, because that's not in the ME PTS at all. I have some real questions about the examiners that let some of you guys off with only ME stuff. We are talking about an inital CFI certificate no?

N422NM · August 24th, 2006, 01:32

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Originally Posted by flyguy

Have a look in the CFI-ME PTS under the task table. If you do not have any CFI ratings, you must do the entire CFI oral according to the PTS. The only thing you will not have to do is SE specific items, because that's not in the ME PTS at all. I have some real questions about the examiners that let some of you guys off with only ME stuff. We are talking about an inital CFI certificate no?

Yeah, but the examiner has the authority to discuss what he wants about things. They can tell if you have enough of a handle on it based on answers. The focus was on ME, with some SE crap in there for good measure. Plus, in the case of the ###### bag, he said his gameplan was to kill some SE stuff so that I would use him later that week for my SE...thereby guaranteeing him a bit of job security I suppose...

flyguy · August 24th, 2006, 13:46

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Originally Posted by N422NM

Yeah, but the examiner has the authority to discuss what he wants about things. They can tell if you have enough of a handle on it based on answers. The focus was on ME, with some SE crap in there for good measure. Plus, in the case of the ###### bag, he said his gameplan was to kill some SE stuff so that I would use him later that week for my SE...thereby guaranteeing him a bit of job security I suppose...

That's fine if they want to discuss SE stuff, but to only cover ME specific items, and skip about 80% of the PTS could mean serious trouble for the DPE if the FSDO found out. Plus, nearly all initial CFI rides are being conducted by the FSDOs now, any you can rest assured that they will not skip a single item in the PTS. I'd say be ready for the entire CFI oral.

N422NM · August 24th, 2006, 14:53

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Originally Posted by flyguy

Plus, nearly all initial CFI rides are being conducted by the FSDOs now, any you can rest assured that they will not skip a single item in the PTS. I'd say be ready for the entire CFI oral.

True, a person needs to study the whole oral. I did.

FSDO maybe mandating it where you are, but here in PHX, they still really don't want anything to do with CFI initals. Talked to a guy from Scottsdale FSDO and was told that. There's no standardization from FSDO to FSDO about this stuff. Each one has it's own local interpretation about everything.

flyguy · August 24th, 2006, 19:06

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Originally Posted by N422NM

True, a person needs to study the whole oral. I did.

FSDO maybe mandating it where you are, but here in PHX, they still really don't want anything to do with CFI initals. Talked to a guy from Scottsdale FSDO and was told that. There's no standardization from FSDO to FSDO about this stuff. Each one has it's own local interpretation about everything.

And that's exactly why I went to AZ to get my initial CFI done. They are one of the last, and the FAA will probably soon put an end to it. They are craking down on DPEs doing initial CFIs all over the country, except AZ for some reason.

N422NM · August 24th, 2006, 19:43

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Originally Posted by flyguy

They are craking down on DPEs doing initial CFIs all over the country, except AZ for some reason.

Strange thing (probably not strange...but stranger than I've seen in any other FSDO around the country) is that to talk to a couple of DPE's here they'll tell you about how "we have a professional group and we tell the FSDO what needs to be done here in the area about xxx"

There is a real cliqueish DPE network here, and then there are the other DPE's here that are not part of that clique. As of late, we are using the one's that aren't in the clique because our students get an actual practical test. Not one based on some weird, obscure thing that happened back 50 years ago....but that's for another thread...whch maybe I'll start...

slumav505 · October 5th, 2006, 23:34

I thought the MEI intial ride was pretty easy, but EVERYTHING was covered. I was asked pretty much everything you could think of. Multi-engine things are points of emphasis, but if you study everything and have good reference material you will have no problem with it.

tgrayson · October 5th, 2006, 23:54

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Originally Posted by flyguy

They are cranking down on DPEs doing initial CFIs all over the country, except AZ for some reason.

And TN and MS.

JBUCREW · October 6th, 2006, 00:06

i did my MEI first and we hit it all.... a 3 1/2 hour oral

phoenixflyer · October 6th, 2006, 01:33

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Originally Posted by N422NM

Strange thing (probably not strange...but stranger than I've seen in any other FSDO around the country) is that to talk to a couple of DPE's here they'll tell you about how "we have a professional group and we tell the FSDO what needs to be done here in the area about xxx"

There is a real cliqueish DPE network here, and then there are the other DPE's here that are not part of that clique. As of late, we are using the one's that aren't in the clique because our students get an actual practical test. Not one based on some weird, obscure thing that happened back 50 years ago....but that's for another thread...whch maybe I'll start...

go make me some tacos

meritflyer · October 7th, 2006, 00:03

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Originally Posted by JBUCREW

i did my MEI first and we hit it all.... a 3 1/2 hour oral

weak sauce. try 2 days.

vabantha · October 8th, 2006, 16:06

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Originally Posted by tgrayson

And TN and MS.

and florida...

August 23rd, 2006, 00:33	#1
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,006	MEI as initial. Just a quick question. When doing the MEI as initial, do you cover pretty much EVERYTHING on the oral portion? or is it just ME specific? __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

August 23rd, 2006, 00:41	#2
N422NM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 36-44-28.5000N / 108-13-47.8000W Posts: 521	Re: MEI as initial. For the most part mine was ME specific, but we did get into some single engine aerodynamics...which worked out because I used the same guy for the Single engine CFI and the oral was real easy becuase he had heard me talk about it before.

August 23rd, 2006, 00:53	#3
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,521	Re: MEI as initial. Ditto. ME specific. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

August 23rd, 2006, 13:32	#4
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,634	Re: MEI as initial. Depends on the examiner/inspector. I did the CFI-I as the initial, but you have to expect just about anything on it. We had a guy bust for lack of TAILWHEEL knowledge at the FSDO. The FOI for sure will be on there, as will aeromedical factors (which I got a LOT of questions on). __________________ "I'm The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life!"

October 5th, 2006, 23:34	#13
slumav505 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: STL Posts: 7	Re: MEI as initial. I thought the MEI intial ride was pretty easy, but EVERYTHING was covered. I was asked pretty much everything you could think of. Multi-engine things are points of emphasis, but if you study everything and have good reference material you will have no problem with it.

October 6th, 2006, 00:06	#15
JBUCREW Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: DTW/DXR/JFK Posts: 216	Re: MEI as initial. i did my MEI first and we hit it all.... a 3 1/2 hour oral

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