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May 22nd, 2006, 21:58
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 36-44-28.5000N / 108-13-47.8000W
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|  Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? OK, I'm at point that I can actually do my CFII as my initial CFI rating. I've always been told and seen some places that do the CFII-Initial in a non-complex airplane. The CFII PTS says the aircraft required must have dual controls, and be capable of performing all areas of operations appropriate for the instructor rating sought. I called the local FSDO and spoke to a rather rude lady there that said "What's the PTS say ?" I told her that nowhere do I see in the PTS or the FAR's that I need to fly a complex airplane in the CFII checkride. She said "that's right, but you should call you examiner and let them make the decision..." and hung up. I've seen places on the web, and I actually called and spoke to a flight instructor at Skymates who said that they use their 172's for the CFII there, which is also their programs initial instructor rating. The assistant chief pilot where I am at says that since it is my initial CFI rating, I HAVE to use a complex airplane, whether it is for the CFII or not. I say that I don't. Anyone know or have any ideas on where I can justify this ? |
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May 23rd, 2006, 15:20
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Home:SFO Work:MSP
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 | Re: Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? Your assistant chief pilot is incorrect. Where is he pulling this from? I did my CFII initial at the FSDO in a 172 SP. |
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May 23rd, 2006, 16:48
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver Colorado
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| Re: Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? I agree with Brett. If you need a complex airplane, the PTS says so, like the CFI-ASE does. Based on a discussion on a related topic on another forum, it may be that this is not completely understood by some folks, including Examiners. So despite the rudeness, the FSDO lady had it pretty much right from a practical standpoint. |
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May 23rd, 2006, 21:30
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ROC
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| Re: Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? Just another one of them lovely grey areas. The same question actually came up at my school today, we all thought that as long as its your initial it must be in a complex aircraft.
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May 24th, 2006, 15:25
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: In a hotel somewhere
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| Re: Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? You do not need a complex a/c if you do the CFII. You will need to use a Complex for the CFI add-on. That is one of the many benefits of doing a CFII first. |
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May 24th, 2006, 21:58
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bixby, OK
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| Re: Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? I did my CFII as an initial in a C172N.
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May 27th, 2006, 07:44
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? Quote:
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May 27th, 2006, 10:02
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone
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 | Re: Complex aircraft needed for CFII inital ? Ditto!
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