another logging time question

[crashmbern]

well today i got to ride in a new piper 6x saratoga with 300 hp. well the student was workin on their CFII, just doin instrument approaches, and is current and all. but the problem is i don't have a high performance sign off. could i log it as dual given, safety pilot or not at all. i don't mind partying ways with the 1.8 was just curious if there was a loop hole or something since he was able to act as PIC

thanks
adam

[MikeD]

You could log safety pilot since you're certed in cat/class. Since you weren't teaching him anything, or at least you might not have specified, don't think it'd be any sort of dual given time.

[crashmbern]

now can i log it as PIC

[MikeD]

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now can i log it as PIC

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Based on what you were saying, wasn't he the PIC throughout?

[crashmbern]

yea stupid question

[kellwolf]

Falls under the same category as tailwheel. You can LOG at PIC, just not ACT as PIC. I asked this exact question of my CFII instructor today, and he said (although I don't have a specific FAR to back it up) that you can only instruct in an airplane you are qualified to act as PIC in. So, if you had your CFI, you couldn't give instruction in a Citabria w/o a tailwheel endorsement. I'd say log it as you normally would log safety pilot time.

I'm taking a flight or two during my CFII training in our 182 to get some Garmin 1000 experience as well as my HP sign-off just to have my bases covered.

[GaTechKid]

Can a flight instructor provide instruction if he/she has lost their medical? If they can then why? I think you'll find your answer there....

[crashmbern]

i know you can act as a CFI if you don't have a medical, could you log it as PIC time as well.

[MidlifeFlyer]

1. Without the high performance endorsement, you could not act as PIC. That means if you were simply acting as a safety pilot, you may log SIC, not PIC.

2. Dual? Sure. Whenever you provide instruction, you may log PIC time whether or not you were acting as PIC. It's a teaching privilege. And, strangely enough, so long as the "student" is qualified and acts as PIC, an instructor doesn't need the endorsements. If it was dual, you may also log it as PIC.

Problem is, you don't get to log PIC just because you have a CFI certificate. Logging PIC based on giving instruction requires that you were, well, giving instruction.

So, were you, a CFI without even an endorsement to fly a simple CE-182 giving instruction in a 300 HP Saratoga? If you can honestly answer that question "yes" the rules allow you to log the time as PIC.