How many hours you CFIs getting?

N8389P · May 3rd, 2005, 02:40

The last few days have been right around 7 hours of dual given, and most of its in a mooney it aint to bad but its nothing like our comanche (get to fly it tomorrow so im happy)

today was 8.3 but I fixed that real fast with 7.3 of that being in the mooney. And seen a nice Tstorm over IFP today. What about everyone else.

mtsu_av8er · May 3rd, 2005, 08:23

You logged 8.3 hours of dual in one day?

N8389P · May 3rd, 2005, 10:29

I could have But I had to put 8.0 because of that one reg, I dont know what one it is right now but im going to go find it.

EatSleepFly · May 3rd, 2005, 13:05

I wouldn't go around bragging about busting regs.

Keep up the good work, and keep it under 8 hrs.

stuckingfk · May 3rd, 2005, 13:12

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I wouldn't go around bragging about busting regs.

Keep up the good work, and keep it under 8 hrs.

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And the reg is 61.195(a), which took a grand total of 3 seconds to look up. Try this site, it will help

dakovich · May 3rd, 2005, 16:17

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I could have But I had to put 8.0 because of that one reg

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but you instructed more than 8 hours! just because you didn't log it doesn't mean anything. and if you think just not logging it makes it legal, then you'd also have to go back into your students logbook and take away .3 of dual from his records. just watch yourself, and keep it to 8 and under.

by the way, i logged a whole 28.1 hours of dual last month

it is seriously depressing right now, things are slowwwww.

gtpilot · May 3rd, 2005, 22:17

I'm with you, things have been slow, but look up! Summer break is coming and business will get going soon!

slamma1906 · May 3rd, 2005, 22:23

around 4hrs a day

Grabo172 · May 3rd, 2005, 22:23

As a part timer, I'm getting about 6-12 hours a week...

Not too bad, I guess...

averyrm · May 3rd, 2005, 23:02

Billed 103.4 last month, including ground. 80 or 90 in the air.

BobDDuck · May 4th, 2005, 01:05

Wow.. if I could only log my ground time

N8389P · May 4th, 2005, 01:26

got another 6 or 7 today. 1 flight tomorrow at 9 then I have the rest of the day off thankgod

dakovich · May 4th, 2005, 12:29

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got another 6 or 7 today

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how many flights? what time do you start and end your day?

N8389P · May 4th, 2005, 15:37

im there from 8am to 11pm

They are long days. only got .8 today

CaptChris · May 4th, 2005, 17:39

With Bowling Green State University I am logging 5-7 hours a day! Exhausting, but every time I add up a page, that gets me one step closer to going from 5-7 hours a day to 5-7 legs a day

dakovich · May 4th, 2005, 17:45

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im there from 8am to 11pm They are long days. only got .8 today

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isn't it funny, my girlfirend just can't understand how sometimes we CFI's spend 12-16 hours at the airport and only get paid for maybe 2 of it sometimes. she thinks we should get paid from when we show up to when we go home, but i keep telling her it doesn't work that way. silly little italian girl

oh, and i logged a whole 1.0 today...one student right now up solo so no time for me on that one.

GaTechKid · May 4th, 2005, 23:39

Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case.

mtsu_av8er · May 5th, 2005, 01:05

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Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case.

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I have no problem with the fact that I'm not getting paid in between flights. If a doctor has a his/her own practice, (s)he won't get paid for time spent between patients. If a lawyer is in the office, and not working on a case for a client, (s)he isn't getting paid for his/her time.

We want to compare ourselves to professionals in other fields all the time - what's the difference?

gtpilot · May 5th, 2005, 08:43

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We want to compare ourselves to professionals in other fields all the time - what's the difference?

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They get paid more!

mtsu_av8er · May 7th, 2005, 14:55

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We want to compare ourselves to professionals in other fields all the time - what's the difference?

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They get paid more!

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Riiiggghhhtttt. . .

Ralgha · May 7th, 2005, 15:58

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I have no problem with the fact that I'm not getting paid in between flights. If a doctor has a his/her own practice, (s)he won't get paid for time spent between patients. If a lawyer is in the office, and not working on a case for a client, (s)he isn't getting paid for his/her time.

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A doctor who owns his own practice is not required by someone else to be in the office. A lawyer factors office time into the charge to the client. If you as a CFI are forced by your employer to work in the office, you should be compensated for it.

slamma1906 · May 7th, 2005, 16:06

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Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case.

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WMU pays $240 bi-weekly for our office hours.

Ralgha · May 7th, 2005, 17:01

[ QUOTE ]
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Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case.

[/ QUOTE ]

WMU pays $240 bi-weekly for our office hours.

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How many office hours do you do in those two weeks?

dakovich · May 7th, 2005, 18:14

i'm not at all required to stay at the office all day, but i do because i want to fly. if i want the students i've got to be here. its tuff fighting the Cheif CFI for all the students who come in, let alone the other instructors we have. so i tend to just come in and be here more than the other CFIs. i just hang out and chill on the computer and study for my CFII, and grab any walk-ins or phone calls i can. just the other day the Chief tried to give one of the other CFI's a prospective student(CFI who isn't here much), kicker is the student can only come in 6am-8am tuesday and thursday, possibly weekends. so i was like, "hell, i'll take him!". i've got no problem getting up early, so i bugged the chief for a few days about whether or not the other CFI had called the student or not. ends up the other CFI wasn't all that excited about getting up early, so i get the ok to call the student. so i call him up, introduce myself and yadda yadda. turns out this guy kindda got turned off because nobody had contacted him since his first call, and now its up in the air if he is still interested in using our school for flight training. ARRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

i was so pissed about that one.

so in any event, my girl doesn't understand why i have to fight for students.

jrh · May 7th, 2005, 19:18

I'm curious, how do most flight schools pair up students and CFIs? Are there set procedures, or is it an informal, "who's at the right place at the right time" sort of deal?

At my school, students are initially paired with whichever CFI will work best with the student's schedule, or if the student requests a specific CFI for some reason, they get paired up of course. Student intro flights are evenly distributed among each of the CFIs.

The idea of "fighting other CFIs" for students rubs me the wrong way. Not to say anyone who's made such comments in this thread is a bad CFI. I just don't like the terminology. It sounds too much like the focus is on building hours/getting paid, rather than the student's best interest.

It really irritated me the other day when I heard a coworker talking about how a CFI's students should be divided evenly among the others when the CFI leaves for another job. My philosophy is to let the students pick which instructor they'd like to fly with in the future and let the chips fall where they may.

Being at the airport a lot is the first step to getting students, but long-term student satisfaction is far more important. If I were a chief CFI and was talking to a prospective student, I might pair them up with a particular CFI because I get the feeling their personalities would work best together, even if the CFI I want to pair them with isn't around much.

I'm not saying this was the case with you, dakovich. I don't know anything about you, your local setup, your chief CFI, or any of that. I'm just saying that I think there's more to getting students than hanging around all the time.

May 3rd, 2005, 02:40	#1
N8389P Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KAPV AppleValley Posts: 126	How many hours you CFIs getting? The last few days have been right around 7 hours of dual given, and most of its in a mooney it aint to bad but its nothing like our comanche (get to fly it tomorrow so im happy) today was 8.3 but I fixed that real fast with 7.3 of that being in the mooney. And seen a nice Tstorm over IFP today. What about everyone else.

May 3rd, 2005, 08:23	#2
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? You logged 8.3 hours of dual in one day?

May 3rd, 2005, 10:29	#3
N8389P Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KAPV AppleValley Posts: 126	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? I could have But I had to put 8.0 because of that one reg, I dont know what one it is right now but im going to go find it.

May 3rd, 2005, 13:05	#4
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? I wouldn't go around bragging about busting regs. Keep up the good work, and keep it under 8 hrs.

May 3rd, 2005, 13:12	#5
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,605	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] I wouldn't go around bragging about busting regs. Keep up the good work, and keep it under 8 hrs. [/ QUOTE ] And the reg is 61.195(a), which took a grand total of 3 seconds to look up. Try this site, it will help

May 3rd, 2005, 16:17	#6
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,032	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] I could have But I had to put 8.0 because of that one reg [/ QUOTE ] but you instructed more than 8 hours! just because you didn't log it doesn't mean anything. and if you think just not logging it makes it legal, then you'd also have to go back into your students logbook and take away .3 of dual from his records. just watch yourself, and keep it to 8 and under. by the way, i logged a whole 28.1 hours of dual last month it is seriously depressing right now, things are slowwwww.

May 3rd, 2005, 22:17	#7
gtpilot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: GA Posts: 476	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? I'm with you, things have been slow, but look up! Summer break is coming and business will get going soon!

May 3rd, 2005, 22:23	#8
slamma1906 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: ORF Posts: 130	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? around 4hrs a day

May 3rd, 2005, 22:23	#9
Grabo172 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Peterborough, NH Posts: 1,281	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? As a part timer, I'm getting about 6-12 hours a week... Not too bad, I guess...

May 3rd, 2005, 23:02	#10
averyrm Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: LCK Posts: 1,653	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? Billed 103.4 last month, including ground. 80 or 90 in the air.

May 4th, 2005, 01:05	#11
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,733	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? Wow.. if I could only log my ground time

May 4th, 2005, 01:26	#12
N8389P Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KAPV AppleValley Posts: 126	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? got another 6 or 7 today. 1 flight tomorrow at 9 then I have the rest of the day off thankgod

May 4th, 2005, 12:29	#13
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,032	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] got another 6 or 7 today [/ QUOTE ] how many flights? what time do you start and end your day?

May 4th, 2005, 15:37	#14
N8389P Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KAPV AppleValley Posts: 126	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? im there from 8am to 11pm They are long days. only got .8 today

May 4th, 2005, 17:39	#15
CaptChris Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 549	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? With Bowling Green State University I am logging 5-7 hours a day! Exhausting, but every time I add up a page, that gets me one step closer to going from 5-7 hours a day to 5-7 legs a day

May 4th, 2005, 17:45	#16
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,032	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] im there from 8am to 11pm They are long days. only got .8 today [/ QUOTE ] isn't it funny, my girlfirend just can't understand how sometimes we CFI's spend 12-16 hours at the airport and only get paid for maybe 2 of it sometimes. she thinks we should get paid from when we show up to when we go home, but i keep telling her it doesn't work that way. silly little italian girl oh, and i logged a whole 1.0 today...one student right now up solo so no time for me on that one.

May 4th, 2005, 23:39	#17
GaTechKid Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub Posts: 1,885	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case.

May 5th, 2005, 01:05	#18
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case. [/ QUOTE ] I have no problem with the fact that I'm not getting paid in between flights. If a doctor has a his/her own practice, (s)he won't get paid for time spent between patients. If a lawyer is in the office, and not working on a case for a client, (s)he isn't getting paid for his/her time. We want to compare ourselves to professionals in other fields all the time - what's the difference?

May 5th, 2005, 08:43	#19
gtpilot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: GA Posts: 476	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] We want to compare ourselves to professionals in other fields all the time - what's the difference? [/ QUOTE ] They get paid more!

May 7th, 2005, 14:55	#20
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] We want to compare ourselves to professionals in other fields all the time - what's the difference? [/ QUOTE ] They get paid more! [/ QUOTE ] Riiiggghhhtttt. . .

May 7th, 2005, 15:58	#21
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 920	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] I have no problem with the fact that I'm not getting paid in between flights. If a doctor has a his/her own practice, (s)he won't get paid for time spent between patients. If a lawyer is in the office, and not working on a case for a client, (s)he isn't getting paid for his/her time. [/ QUOTE ] A doctor who owns his own practice is not required by someone else to be in the office. A lawyer factors office time into the charge to the client. If you as a CFI are forced by your employer to work in the office, you should be compensated for it.

May 7th, 2005, 16:06	#22
slamma1906 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: ORF Posts: 130	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case. [/ QUOTE ] WMU pays $240 bi-weekly for our office hours.

May 7th, 2005, 17:01	#23
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 920	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nothing silly about your girlfriend's thinking. Instructors should get paid for any required office work they have to do, but unfortunately it almost isn't the case. [/ QUOTE ] WMU pays $240 bi-weekly for our office hours. [/ QUOTE ] How many office hours do you do in those two weeks?

May 7th, 2005, 18:14	#24
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,032	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? i'm not at all required to stay at the office all day, but i do because i want to fly. if i want the students i've got to be here. its tuff fighting the Cheif CFI for all the students who come in, let alone the other instructors we have. so i tend to just come in and be here more than the other CFIs. i just hang out and chill on the computer and study for my CFII, and grab any walk-ins or phone calls i can. just the other day the Chief tried to give one of the other CFI's a prospective student(CFI who isn't here much), kicker is the student can only come in 6am-8am tuesday and thursday, possibly weekends. so i was like, "hell, i'll take him!". i've got no problem getting up early, so i bugged the chief for a few days about whether or not the other CFI had called the student or not. ends up the other CFI wasn't all that excited about getting up early, so i get the ok to call the student. so i call him up, introduce myself and yadda yadda. turns out this guy kindda got turned off because nobody had contacted him since his first call, and now its up in the air if he is still interested in using our school for flight training. ARRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! i was so pissed about that one. so in any event, my girl doesn't understand why i have to fight for students.

May 7th, 2005, 19:18	#25
jrh Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,744	Re: How many hours you CFIs getting? I'm curious, how do most flight schools pair up students and CFIs? Are there set procedures, or is it an informal, "who's at the right place at the right time" sort of deal? At my school, students are initially paired with whichever CFI will work best with the student's schedule, or if the student requests a specific CFI for some reason, they get paired up of course. Student intro flights are evenly distributed among each of the CFIs. The idea of "fighting other CFIs" for students rubs me the wrong way. Not to say anyone who's made such comments in this thread is a bad CFI. I just don't like the terminology. It sounds too much like the focus is on building hours/getting paid, rather than the student's best interest. It really irritated me the other day when I heard a coworker talking about how a CFI's students should be divided evenly among the others when the CFI leaves for another job. My philosophy is to let the students pick which instructor they'd like to fly with in the future and let the chips fall where they may. Being at the airport a lot is the first step to getting students, but long-term student satisfaction is far more important. If I were a chief CFI and was talking to a prospective student, I might pair them up with a particular CFI because I get the feeling their personalities would work best together, even if the CFI I want to pair them with isn't around much. I'm not saying this was the case with you, dakovich. I don't know anything about you, your local setup, your chief CFI, or any of that. I'm just saying that I think there's more to getting students than hanging around all the time.

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