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March 5th, 2005, 22:59
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: MN
Posts: 97
|  Logging PIC on a BFR Let's say a pilot has not had a flight review within the last 24-calendar months, and thus is not current to act as PIC. Now this pilot decides that she wants to get current again and take a BFR. Can she log PIC during the BFR? She's rated in the category/class and even though she's flying with an instructor I don't think she could log it as PIC. Am I right? |
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March 5th, 2005, 23:05
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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| Re: Logging PIC on a BFR [ QUOTE ] Am I right? [/ QUOTE ] No. She can log it as PIC because she is rated in cat/class and sole manipulator of the controls. She need not be current to LOG it as PIC. She would need to be current to ACT as PIC. Two different things. Bust out your FAR's for the exact number, it's in there. Then write it verbatim on the back of your eyelids. This is pretty basic stuff that instructors need to know. |
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March 5th, 2005, 23:06
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| Moderator  | Re: Logging PIC on a BFR I just read FAR 61.56 and from what I can see you are correct. The person would not be able to log PIC until after the BFR when they "become" current. edit.....the logging is covered under 61.51E(1i) so reading 61.51 ESF is correct. But for me reading 61.56 I get hung up on the acting vs. logging. It doesn't make sense to me that you can log something for which you cannot "ACT". But just typing it, it makes more sense because before I rec'd my IR, I could log PIC (actual IMC) but yet I could not ACT as PIC in IMC because I did nto have my rating yet. clear as mud???  |
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March 6th, 2005, 11:55
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver Colorado
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| Re: Logging PIC on a BFR [ QUOTE ] Let's say a pilot has not had a flight review within the last 24-calendar months, and thus is not current to act as PIC. Now this pilot decides that she wants to get current again and take a BFR. Can she log PIC during the BFR? [/ QUOTE ]Yes. Check out "Rule No. 1" of my rules of logging PIC http://www.midlifeflight.com/faq/faq.php?s=2#3 |
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March 6th, 2005, 18:52
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: People's Republic of Boulder
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| Re: Logging PIC on a BFR  I agree with MidLife - it is the difference between "Acting As" and "Logging" PIC. The pilot can log it, since they are rated for the a/c, but cannot "Act As PIC" until the BFR is complete. |
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March 6th, 2005, 21:45
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| Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: MN
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| Re: Logging PIC on a BFR [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Am I right? [/ QUOTE ] No. She can log it as PIC because she is rated in cat/class and sole manipulator of the controls. She need not be current to LOG it as PIC. She would need to be current to ACT as PIC. Two different things. Bust out your FAR's for the exact number, it's in there. Then write it verbatim on the back of your eyelids. This is pretty basic stuff that instructors need to know. [/ QUOTE ] I thought the same thing until I read AOPA's article on BFR's, ... which states: "How do I log the flight time? Because the regulation specifically states "1 hour of flight instruction," it must be logged as dual instruction received. However, in accordance with FAR 61.51(c)(2)(i), you may also log, as pilot in command, that time during which you were the sole manipulator of the controls, provided that you have a current flight review. " Since that said you could log PIC provided that "you have a current flight review," I figured you could not log PIC w/o a current flight review ... |
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March 7th, 2005, 00:20
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| Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver Colorado
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| Re: Logging PIC on a BFR [ QUOTE ] Since that said you could log PIC provided that "you have a current flight review," I figured you could not log PIC w/o a current flight review ... [/ QUOTE ]If AOPA said that, AOPA is wrong. (It wouldn't be the first time it made a mistake n the regs) |
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