CFII Checkride

minds_warped · August 2nd, 2004, 21:09

CFII checkride coming up this week. Any tips? I think I'm ready but damn it if I always forget to start time at the FAF. Anyone know how to "arm" the autopilot for and ILS approach using the bendix? Our plane at the school wants to fly outbound on the localizer when I press the ARM button. However if I press ARM during intercepting the localizer, it will capture and then capture the glide slope (going from ALT arm to GS or approach mode). I just have a feeling the examiner will ask me to do a couples approach.

crashmbern · August 3rd, 2004, 00:30

how about hand flying it?????

RiddlePilot · August 3rd, 2004, 00:32

I have mine on friday as well. Of course I don't have much to say, but in regards to starting your time FAF: Prepare the Ts, do the Ts. Personally, before any course change or segment change on an approach, I'll brief the Ts for the next segment. Once you make that segment/course change, do the Ts just as you briefed.

For example (using http://www.myairplane.com/databases/...s/00546V12.PDF):

Inbound on the DRK 305 at 6600, I'll say something as such:

"At flag-flip, we'll do the Ts. Time - We'll start time at the FAF just in case we lose DME, we can identify the MAP. Turn - Maintain heading 125 after DRK, Twist - Nav 1 & 2 set to 125, Throttle - We'll descend to 5540' once we have positive course guidance inbound, Talk - Report DRK inbound."

Once we have that flag flip, bingo, I do exactly as I briefed...works great every time. You're also killing two birds with one stone here, since you're briefing yourself, AND teaching.

Anyways, this was probably unnecessarily in-depth, especially to a guy about to do his CFII himself, but hey...this is what works for me.

gomntwins · August 3rd, 2004, 00:41

My biggest tip. Stay way ahead of the airplane and talk a lot!! You've already proved you can fly instruments... that's what your first instrument checkride was for... now you need to prove you can talk and shoot an approach. The easiest way.... be 5-6 steps ahead of the plane vs. 3-4, like you were with your instrument ride. That was the trickiest thing for me... staying far enough ahead of the airplane to not only fly nice approaches, but also to talk through them, and have everything I wanted to say about one phase of flight done prior to entering the next phase. Overall, it's not that hard of a ride... just make sure you're not going into it with a "instrument ride from the right seat" type of mentality... it's that type of thinking that gets a lot of people a pink slip!

Good luck!

mtsu_av8er · August 3rd, 2004, 00:51

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how about hand flying it?????

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You really need to know how to use the auto-pilot if there is one....

casey · August 3rd, 2004, 10:22

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how about hand flying it?????

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im sure he'd like to, but the examiner may ask to see one.

Starting in october if you take in instrument ride in a plane with an autopilot you are going to be required to demonstrate a coupled non-precision approach, as well as using it to assist in any normal tasks.

crashmbern · August 3rd, 2004, 10:47

yea i didn't think of that. i didn't know that you they added that to the PTS. I heard that they also took step turns out of the PTS as well.

crashmbern · August 3rd, 2004, 12:03

i didn't hear about that. i guess it makes sense. i know they are suppose to take out steep turns in the PTS

gomntwins · August 3rd, 2004, 13:15

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Starting in october if you take in instrument ride in a plane with an autopilot you are going to be required to demonstrate a coupled non-precision approach, as well as using it to assist in any normal tasks.

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Wow... I had no idea! It makes perfect sense though... the number of people who use autopilot for flight in IMC is large... and it is easy to lose situational awareness if you stop paying attention because the plane's flying itself. I know that from personal experience. It's good to prove to an examiner that you know everything on your airplane!

Fred · August 4th, 2004, 17:48

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Overall, it's not that hard of a ride... just make sure you're not going into it with a "instrument ride from the right seat" type of mentality... it's that type of thinking that gets a lot of people a pink slip!

Can you expand a bit, I'm not sure what you mean

thanks
Fred

EatSleepFly · August 4th, 2004, 18:13

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Can you expand a bit, I'm not sure what you mean

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If you fly it without saying a word, you'll fail it.

You have to "teach", and explain everything you're doing, as if you were flying with an instrument student.

gomntwins · August 4th, 2004, 19:12

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Can you expand a bit, I'm not sure what you mean

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If you fly it without saying a word, you'll fail it.

You have to "teach", and explain everything you're doing, as if you were flying with an instrument student.

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Eatsleepfly said what I meant perfect... you need to talk... and you need to talk a lot! I know a lot of people go into the checkride knowing how to fly an approach from the right seat, but they do not know how to explain what they're doing. They fly the approaches perfectly... and they do it from the right seat... but they do not prove 'instructional knowledge' to the DPE. That's what the whole checkride is about... proving you can teach instruments!! Talk talk talk!! Explain everything thoroughly and fly the airplane with precision and you'll be fine!

mastermags · August 8th, 2004, 22:03

They are taking out steep turns?? Praise be to God! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

LostComm · August 13th, 2004, 13:44

The two most important things in instrument flight?

= The next two things.

My DE seemed to like this approach (ha!) to things. So at any given point, I would say, "What are the next two things we have to do or prepare for?" That kept me well ahead of the plane.

Good luck!!

Lostcomm

minds_warped · August 15th, 2004, 12:10

Alright I wasted all of your time. Took my CFII ride last week. All this preparation for a coupled approach, GPS approach, autopilot crap. All I end up doing is a VOR and ILS approach. Easiest checkride I ever had!!
Now, can someone explain how to track a radial?

RiddlePilot · August 15th, 2004, 13:24

[ QUOTE ]
Alright I wasted all of your time. Took my CFII ride last week. All this preparation for a coupled approach, GPS approach, autopilot crap. All I end up doing is a VOR and ILS approach. Easiest checkride I ever had!!
Now, can someone explain how to track a radial?

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Congrats! Yeah, it really is a simple checkride. The CFII was one of those rare "relaxing" checkrides. I actually had fun on mine!

As for tracking a radial, I still dunno... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

BoDEAN · August 17th, 2004, 22:27

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[ QUOTE ]
Alright I wasted all of your time. Took my CFII ride last week. All this preparation for a coupled approach, GPS approach, autopilot crap. All I end up doing is a VOR and ILS approach. Easiest checkride I ever had!!
Now, can someone explain how to track a radial?

[/ QUOTE ]

Congrats! Yeah, it really is a simple checkride. The CFII was one of those rare "relaxing" checkrides. I actually had fun on mine!

As for tracking a radial, I still dunno... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Once I get my instrument knowledge back up to par, I plan on taking my CFII ride. It's sad what you forget when all you do is primary training for a year =(

August 2nd, 2004, 21:09	#1
minds_warped Newbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 28	CFII Checkride CFII checkride coming up this week. Any tips? I think I'm ready but damn it if I always forget to start time at the FAF. Anyone know how to "arm" the autopilot for and ILS approach using the bendix? Our plane at the school wants to fly outbound on the localizer when I press the ARM button. However if I press ARM during intercepting the localizer, it will capture and then capture the glide slope (going from ALT arm to GS or approach mode). I just have a feeling the examiner will ask me to do a couples approach.

August 3rd, 2004, 00:30	#2
crashmbern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 509	Re: CFII Checkride how about hand flying it?????

August 3rd, 2004, 00:32	#3
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	Re: CFII Checkride I have mine on friday as well. Of course I don't have much to say, but in regards to starting your time FAF: Prepare the Ts, do the Ts. Personally, before any course change or segment change on an approach, I'll brief the Ts for the next segment. Once you make that segment/course change, do the Ts just as you briefed. For example (using http://www.myairplane.com/databases/...s/00546V12.PDF): Inbound on the DRK 305 at 6600, I'll say something as such: "At flag-flip, we'll do the Ts. Time - We'll start time at the FAF just in case we lose DME, we can identify the MAP. Turn - Maintain heading 125 after DRK, Twist - Nav 1 & 2 set to 125, Throttle - We'll descend to 5540' once we have positive course guidance inbound, Talk - Report DRK inbound." Once we have that flag flip, bingo, I do exactly as I briefed...works great every time. You're also killing two birds with one stone here, since you're briefing yourself, AND teaching. Anyways, this was probably unnecessarily in-depth, especially to a guy about to do his CFII himself, but hey...this is what works for me.

August 3rd, 2004, 00:41	#4
gomntwins Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Dakota Posts: 489	Re: CFII Checkride My biggest tip. Stay way ahead of the airplane and talk a lot!! You've already proved you can fly instruments... that's what your first instrument checkride was for... now you need to prove you can talk and shoot an approach. The easiest way.... be 5-6 steps ahead of the plane vs. 3-4, like you were with your instrument ride. That was the trickiest thing for me... staying far enough ahead of the airplane to not only fly nice approaches, but also to talk through them, and have everything I wanted to say about one phase of flight done prior to entering the next phase. Overall, it's not that hard of a ride... just make sure you're not going into it with a "instrument ride from the right seat" type of mentality... it's that type of thinking that gets a lot of people a pink slip! Good luck!

August 3rd, 2004, 00:51	#5
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,568	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] how about hand flying it????? [/ QUOTE ] You really need to know how to use the auto-pilot if there is one....

August 3rd, 2004, 10:22	#6
casey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: abe Posts: 868	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] how about hand flying it????? [/ QUOTE ] im sure he'd like to, but the examiner may ask to see one. Starting in october if you take in instrument ride in a plane with an autopilot you are going to be required to demonstrate a coupled non-precision approach, as well as using it to assist in any normal tasks.

August 3rd, 2004, 10:47	#7
crashmbern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 509	Re: CFII Checkride yea i didn't think of that. i didn't know that you they added that to the PTS. I heard that they also took step turns out of the PTS as well.

August 3rd, 2004, 12:03	#8
crashmbern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 509	Re: CFII Checkride i didn't hear about that. i guess it makes sense. i know they are suppose to take out steep turns in the PTS

August 3rd, 2004, 13:15	#9
gomntwins Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Dakota Posts: 489	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] Starting in october if you take in instrument ride in a plane with an autopilot you are going to be required to demonstrate a coupled non-precision approach, as well as using it to assist in any normal tasks. [/ QUOTE ] Wow... I had no idea! It makes perfect sense though... the number of people who use autopilot for flight in IMC is large... and it is easy to lose situational awareness if you stop paying attention because the plane's flying itself. I know that from personal experience. It's good to prove to an examiner that you know everything on your airplane!

August 4th, 2004, 17:48	#10
Fred Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] Overall, it's not that hard of a ride... just make sure you're not going into it with a "instrument ride from the right seat" type of mentality... it's that type of thinking that gets a lot of people a pink slip! Can you expand a bit, I'm not sure what you mean thanks Fred

August 4th, 2004, 18:13	#11
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] Can you expand a bit, I'm not sure what you mean [/ QUOTE ] If you fly it without saying a word, you'll fail it. You have to "teach", and explain everything you're doing, as if you were flying with an instrument student.

August 4th, 2004, 19:12	#12
gomntwins Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Dakota Posts: 489	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Can you expand a bit, I'm not sure what you mean [/ QUOTE ] If you fly it without saying a word, you'll fail it. You have to "teach", and explain everything you're doing, as if you were flying with an instrument student. [/ QUOTE ] Eatsleepfly said what I meant perfect... you need to talk... and you need to talk a lot! I know a lot of people go into the checkride knowing how to fly an approach from the right seat, but they do not know how to explain what they're doing. They fly the approaches perfectly... and they do it from the right seat... but they do not prove 'instructional knowledge' to the DPE. That's what the whole checkride is about... proving you can teach instruments!! Talk talk talk!! Explain everything thoroughly and fly the airplane with precision and you'll be fine!

August 8th, 2004, 22:03	#13
mastermags Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 1,308	Re: CFII Checkride They are taking out steep turns?? Praise be to God! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

August 13th, 2004, 13:44	#14
LostComm Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 203	Re: CFII Checkride The two most important things in instrument flight? = The next two things. My DE seemed to like this approach (ha!) to things. So at any given point, I would say, "What are the next two things we have to do or prepare for?" That kept me well ahead of the plane. Good luck!! Lostcomm

August 15th, 2004, 12:10	#15
minds_warped Newbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 28	Re: CFII Checkride Alright I wasted all of your time. Took my CFII ride last week. All this preparation for a coupled approach, GPS approach, autopilot crap. All I end up doing is a VOR and ILS approach. Easiest checkride I ever had!! Now, can someone explain how to track a radial?

August 15th, 2004, 13:24	#16
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] Alright I wasted all of your time. Took my CFII ride last week. All this preparation for a coupled approach, GPS approach, autopilot crap. All I end up doing is a VOR and ILS approach. Easiest checkride I ever had!! Now, can someone explain how to track a radial? [/ QUOTE ] Congrats! Yeah, it really is a simple checkride. The CFII was one of those rare "relaxing" checkrides. I actually had fun on mine! As for tracking a radial, I still dunno... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

August 17th, 2004, 22:27	#17
BoDEAN Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 284	Re: CFII Checkride [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Alright I wasted all of your time. Took my CFII ride last week. All this preparation for a coupled approach, GPS approach, autopilot crap. All I end up doing is a VOR and ILS approach. Easiest checkride I ever had!! Now, can someone explain how to track a radial? [/ QUOTE ] Congrats! Yeah, it really is a simple checkride. The CFII was one of those rare "relaxing" checkrides. I actually had fun on mine! As for tracking a radial, I still dunno... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Once I get my instrument knowledge back up to par, I plan on taking my CFII ride. It's sad what you forget when all you do is primary training for a year =(

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