CRJ Program

[Michael95U]

With the completion of our CRJ device, we will be offering our first class starting September 1st. The course is being taught by Skywest CRJ pilots who have experience in the 200, 700, and 900.

The course is basically split into 4 sections: Systems, FMS/Autopilot, flying the CRJ Device, and introduction to the airlines/interview preparation. You can read more about the program at our new site: www.rjtraining.com. The site will go live in the next 72 hours or so. Right now it points to our current pages.

Having participated in the construction of the device, as well as learning the systems, learning the FMS, and learning to fly the CRJ device, I can say that it is awesome. I now see why many airlines are looking at pilots who went through RJ bridge programs. It definitely helps with the transfer of learning and habit formation prior to heading to an airline and flying a jet. My RJ instructors were all amazed at the realism of the device and felt that they would have eased through their training at the airline had they had some experience in this CRJ device and had some FMS training prior to going to the airlines.

Feel free to PM me with any questions!

Michael

[smokey1]

RJ courses are a waste of time and money. when you get to an airline you will see that they will train you to fly the aircraft their way. You can just pick up the turbine pilots handbook, it will give you enough insight. I've done a crj course(free), and it didn't help me in new hire training.

Smoke Dog

[Diamnd15]

please don't use any of these programs, especially in times like these...

[Michael95U]

Hey guys, I respect your opinions. But if you want to bash our program, feel free to call me first and get an idea of what we are trying to do by talking to me directly. Then you can post whatever you like. Go to www.careerpilotschool.com for the phone numbers.

I also want to point out that we are an avid supporter of JetCareers. In fact, we were the very first flight school to put a link to JC on our home page. I support the idea of free flow of information.

With that being said....

I think the most asked question I have received from everyone is: "Why are you offering a jet course?"

Well, we are offering this course because that is what the airlines are looking for. We have consulted with the human resources departments at almost every single regional airline and jet transition courses are something they have supported in the past, support in the present, and will support in the future. I want to give people the option of coming to CPS and doing a program based on quality and professionalism. I want to do this the right way.

So again, if you have any questions, feel free to post here or PM me.

Michael

[Gonzo]

But Michael the more important question, is it good for pilots and is it good for the long term of this career?
Are you guys at CPS making real pilots or RJ pilots?

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

But Michael the more important question, is it good for pilots and is it good for the long term of this career?
Are you guys at CPS making real pilots or RJ pilots?

We are making pilots. Period. Actually, we are making VERY good pilots. And I am training VERY good instructors. This is just another option. My RJ instructors all said that they would have benefited from OUR course and how we have it structured. That is straight from the horse's mouth. That is straight from captains who feel that a lot of the first officers in the 500 hour to 1000 hour range are way behind the aircraft/systems/fms.

Listen, I came into aviation during the days where it was the following progression: CFI until 135 IFR mins, fly cargo for 1500 more hours, either get into a 135 pax job flying a Navajo or something, and then move on to the airlines. I am not saying that those days are over, but the people that choose that route are few and far between. This is another option that I want to provide. I can't control the quality of my competitor's RJ programs. So how about I allow my students to stay at CPS for this type of training instead of going over to a new school where the quality of training might not be to the level that they expect?

The airlines (specifically the HR departments) are the ones that pushed the RJ courses. And they will continue to push these courses until I believe they start training their own pilots from zero hours to jet cockpit.

[Gonzo]

I just saw a lot problems in sims at AE with people who did a RJ program. Not all FMS's are the same and most of the RJ's programs are based on the CRJ. It does nothing for guys going to the ATR/ERJ/Q's.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

I just saw a lot problems in sims at AE with people who did a RJ program. Not all FMS's are the same and most of the RJ's programs are based on the CRJ. It does nothing for guys going to the ATR/ERJ/Q's.

Now that is the type of information that is important to know. So if I had an ERJ FMS sim, would that help things out?

Michael

[Gonzo]

Keep in mind that AE, XTJ, TSA, CHQ all have different FMS's in their ERJ's.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Keep in mind that AE, XTJ, TSA, CHQ all have different FMS's in their ERJ's.

What we are trying to do with the FMS lab is to introduce the principals behind them.

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by MichaelCPS

That is straight from captains who feel that a lot of the first officers in the 500 hour to 1000 hour range are way behind the aircraft/systems/fms. .

Gee. Ya think?

Originally Posted by MichaelCPS

...but the people that choose that route are few and far between.

Why should they with so many places offering them a shortcut. We can't have guys building quality airmanship when they can jump sight in a jet.

Originally Posted by MichaelCPS

The airlines (specifically the HR departments) are the ones that pushed the RJ courses. And they will continue to push these courses until I believe they start training their own pilots from zero hours to jet cockpit.

Sure the HR department like them. Why should they pay to train someone (twice), when they can find (gullible) people to pay for their own training.

Starting another RJ course now is like buying sand for the desert. With all the low timers being furloughed, it seems like a good time for them to start getting their CFIs and start training their replacements for when they get called back....someday. Of course by then, they will have probably outgrown the urge to fly an RJ.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by NJA_Capt

Gee. Ya think?


Why should they with so many places offering them a shortcut. We can't have guys building quality airmanship when they can jump sight in a jet.

Sure the HR department like them. Why should they pay to train someone (twice), when they can find (gullible) people to pay for their own training.

Starting another RJ course now is like buying sand for the desert. With all the low timers being furloughed, it seems like a good time for them to start getting their CFIs and start training their replacements for when they get called back....someday. Of course by then, they will have probably outgrown the urge to fly an RJ.

Is flight instructing for 2000 hours building quality airmanship? I have over 2000 hours of dual given and I can't say all that time sitting in the right seat not touching the controls made me a better pilot. It made me better at assessing situations and made my decision making better, but it probably hurt my flying skills. But that is me. I take a hands off approach to teaching PPL-CFI.

People continue to go to RJ courses. And if they come to us, they will get one heck of an experience. And if they would prefer to go the CFI route, they can come here to CPS where we have a 99% initial pass rate (100% with the KC FSDO) and get one heck of an experience. So we are just offering all of the choices. If students stayed on until Part 135 minimums, I might even throw them into an airplane on my Part 135 certificate. Just another choice, just like how the RJ course is a choice.

Michael

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by NJA_Capt

Sure the HR department like them. Why should they pay to train someone (twice), when they can find (gullible) people to pay for their own training.

This is not intended to be a replacement for training and the HR departments know that. What they know is that if someone is exposed to, let's call it an introduction to jet flying, they have a very high pass rate during their airline training. That is good for the airline and good for the new hire.

Michael

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by MichaelCPS

Is flight instructing for 2000 hours building quality airmanship? I have over 2000 hours of dual given and I can't say all that time sitting in the right seat not touching the controls made me a better pilot. It made me better at assessing situations and made my decision making better, but it probably hurt my flying skills. But that is me. I take a hands off approach to teaching PPL-CFI.

Michael

Do you know how little real flying and how much assessing situations and decision making 121 pilots do day to day.
You just made the point of a lot of guys here at JC.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Do you know how little real flying and how much assessing situations and decision making 121 pilots do day to day.
You just made the point of a lot of guys here at JC.

But how many CFI's instruct for long enough to build those skills? Not many. Most guys are done instructing at 1200 hours and most are done WELL before that. It took me years to get to this point.

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by MichaelCPS

This is not intended to be a replacement for training and the HR departments know that. What they know is that if someone is exposed to, let's call it an introduction to jet flying, they have a very high pass rate during their airline training. That is good for the airline and good for the new hire.

Michael, with all due respect, everyone knows the real reason these courses exist.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by NJA_Capt

Michael, with all due respect, everyone knows the real reason these courses exist.

I have two questions for you:

1) Is it bad from the airline's perspective to have a good number of new hires fail some part of 121 training?
2) Is it good for the new hire's career if they fail out of part 121 training?

[smokey1]

Mike, if you were really concerned with producing quality pilots, you should encourage them to go out and get some real experience, ie cargo, instructing, charter, and let them scare themselves a few times. It will serve them much better than coming to your school for a video game course. These programs are a waste of time and money!!!!!!!Airlines don't care if you do some silly rj course. The only rj course that counts is the one you go through as a new hire. Besides your program costs $9500. You are better off buying a ps3 and playing ace combat for 40 hours than doing this course.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by smokey1

Mike, if you were really concerned with producing quality pilots, you should encourage them to go out and get some real experience, ie cargo, instructing, charter, and let them scare themselves a few times. It will serve them much better than coming to your school for a video game course. These programs are a waste of time and money!!!!!!!Airlines don't care if you do some silly rj course. The only rj course that counts is the one you go through as a new hire .

Again, thanks for the constructive post.

Michael

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by smokey1

Besides your program costs $9500. You are better off buying a ps3 and playing ace combat for 40 hours than doing this course.

How about buying an E-Machine for $500 and MSFS for $50 bucks and flying it for 50 hours?

I mean c'mon, is that necessary?

[smokey1]

I'm trying to prevent someone from wasting $ 9,500 dollars. Flight simulator is even better.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by smokey1

I'm trying to prevent someone from wasting $ 9,500 dollars. Flight simulator is even better.

So what happens if you fail out of Part 121 training and go for another 121 job? Doesn't that follow you to EVERY interview down the road? What if it prevents you from getting another job offer?

I am not saying my course will prevent this from happening, but you get a leg up on what is going on in your initial training.

I just think that everyone needs to understand that until the airlines say no more RJ courses, we will be around for a long time.

[smokey1]

Your course is most likely not going to prevent someone from failing initial 121 training. Most of the failures are do to bad attitudes, not studying, or simply not grasping the material. I never once got finished with an ftd or sim session and said to myself....Thank God I took that rj course, it helped me today..............Have you been through 121 new hire trainig?

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by MichaelCPS

So what happens if you fail out of Part 121 training and go for another 121 job?

If you fail out of 121 training you where either not ready or an idiot. Either way I don't what them flying my family around.
121 training was a joke compared to CFI ground school at Falcon.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by smokey1

Have you been through 121 new hire trainig?

No sir. Just a former Part 91 Citation pilot who started a 135 operation and 141 flight school.....

I have plenty of colleagues who HAVE gone through the 121 training. And I got a lot of input from them in structuring this program.

Michael