CRJ Bridge Course Soon Offered at CPS

[PatrickCPS]

Hi all. We are very excited to begin offering a CRJ/ERJ Bridge Training program at CPS beginning in late July/ Early August.

The CRJ Bridge course is a full immersion, 3- week course that focuses on preparing students for airline type flying on a regional jet platform. Price for the CRJ course is $9485. Included in the course are:

• 40 hours of CRJ AATD
• Jet Propulsion
• Jet Aerodynamics
• Introduction to Turbine Engines
• CRJ Systems
• Introduction to Glass Cockpit
• Collins Pro Line 6-tube EFIS
• Flight Management Systems (FMS)
• Crew Resource Management (CRM)
• Part 121 FARs
• Interview Preparation

For more information, please contact us or view the full program description at:

http://careerpilotschool.com/program...bridge-program

[Ian J]

Is this a joke?

[MichaelCPS]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Is this a joke?

No, it is not a joke.

[Ian J]

Really? You are seriously doing this program? Wow.

Well... good luck with all that.

[nkoenig]

Will this be integrated into the accelerated program?

[MichaelCPS]

Originally Posted by nkoenig

Will this be integrated into the accelerated program?

We are still working on those details. I will be able to discuss it with you when you arrive on Saturday.

Michael

[firebirdswm]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Is this a joke?

[PGT]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Really? You are seriously doing this program? Wow.

Well... good luck with all that.

If there's demand then why not?

business is business

[777forever]

Originally Posted by PGT

If there's demand then why not?

business is business

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by PGT

If there's demand then why not?

business is business

I'm glad my union officers at my company don't say that on a day to day basis, otherwise we'd be working for peanuts.

More importantly, I'm glad Dave Behncke didn't say that back in the 30's.

But hey - almost 10 grand for an RJ course? I don't know guys, seems pretty dang expensive for no certificate or additional rating. Could goto 737 type rating school for cheaper if I recall.

Further, anyone can open up their own "RJ/Jet Course" without any real true accreditation. With that being said, an RJ course in location X is no where near the same standards as location Y. If this type of stuff continues, I'm really scared for the future of our profession.

These courses do not fit into any 141 or part 61 training standards, and can be just generated up willy-nilly. Scary.

Anyone wanna come over to my house? I got a real kick ass CRJ-200 loaded up on FS2000, and a joystick. I'll even print out a certificate for you, and - I'll write you a Letter of Recommendation, don't forget to put it on your resume!

In the end. . .good luck with this CPS.

[USMC-SGT]

I think it is a great idea. This man is running a business and if there is a market where students will pay him (business owner) ten thousand dollars to buy his product than great on him. Because almost everyone here will agree that an RJ course is wrong in every aspect it does not negate the fact that this man is running a business and RJ programs are popular at this present time. There are many kids out there with sally mae loans or daddys money that would love to send Patrick and Michael and their families on their next vacation and I say good on them! Inversely these men also support Jetcareers through their advertising and by knocking them you run the risk of them pulling their advertisements which help fund the operation of this site.

This thread probably should have just been a general announcement though and the thread closed to not allow input and those who were interested could just click the link or call them directly. As we have all seen in the past though that no matter how many times you say do not go to Go Jets, Gulfstream or SJS programs people still will go.

Thats my view as a crashpad armchair quarterback.

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Anyone wanna come over to my house? I got a real kick ass CRJ-200 loaded up on FS2000, and a joystick. I'll even print out a certificate for you, and - I'll write you a Letter of Recommendation, don't forget to put it on your resume!

And if someone was willing to pay you, say, $300 an hour to do that, would you take their money?

Folks need to get off their high horses. JC preaches, repeatedly, that not every training option is right for every pilot. There's also supposed to be a healthy dose of respect even when folks disagree.

The general tone of these posts falls somewhat short on both counts.

[Clocks]

Yeah there's always going to be someone willing to take your money.

If you want to edumacate someone, it's the students not the business.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by killbilly

And if someone was willing to pay you, say, $300 an hour to do that, would you take their money?

Folks need to get off their high horses. JC preaches, repeatedly, that not every training option is right for every pilot. There's also supposed to be a healthy dose of respect even when folks disagree.

The general tone of these posts falls somewhat short on both counts.

I for one seriously thought he was joking. CPS seemed like a pretty good outfit and this course offering surprised me. However, that through their research they determined there was a market for people willing to pay nearly ten-grand for this course says a lot more about wanna-be pilots than it does CPS. I can see CPS's point of view - there's a gap in the market so let's fill it and make some money. Business.

That being said folks, go back and read some JC history about jet bridge courses. Just look at CPS's own writing about this course:

A lot has changed in aviation in the last decade. When “commuter” airlines required upwards of 1500 hours total flight time to secure an interview, modern regional airlines will interview and hire pilots with as low as 400 hours total flight time. While the hour requirements have significantly been lowered, the expectations are even higher.


A new hire at a commuter airline 10 years ago had the experience that came along with 1500 flight hours. Today’s new hire must step into a highly advanced, fast-paced, “all glass” jet cockpit. While we can’t instill that experience, we can significantly enhance the skill set that a modern, low time pilot acquires before applying to a regional airline.

Another plus for CPS - they're honest. You don't get much more raw honestly than from what's written above.

While I respect CPS as a business, I have to warn JC members to carefully weight their options before paying nearly 10 grand for a course the airlines should be teaching you. Think about this: you may be willing to drop ten grand to come in "pre-trained," so is your airline going to raise your pay by ten grand for the money you saved them? Wait - did you even save them money? Nope - you're still going through the same training.

Also, consider the state of the market and ask yourself what happens if furloughs happen and when minimums are raised across the board?

Again - no poo intended for CPS. It's kind of a delicate situation when a flight school you like does something you are against - but in the end they seem like a decent school. I'll leave it to the peanut gallery to decide if an extra 10k on top off all the other training is worth a 20k job.

[rorypang]

Its seems all the people who are hating on RJ course are the one who are already in the RJ jobs, I am considering doing on of these courses. I will not be apying $10k, I am actually looking into PAN AM for about $4K. Yes I agree that you will be learning it again when you get the RJ job, but whats wrong with going in with a little extra knowlege? I have been looking into manu schools and seen many prices, what I am asking is for any JC members to give feedback on the school that they went to that offered a RJ course, so the undecided can move along.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by rorypang

Its seems all the people who are hating on RJ course are the one who are already in the RJ jobs, I am considering doing on of these courses.

Presenting an un-emotional and rational argument against something does not mean you are "hating" on it. A disagreement or differing viewpoint is healthy.

I, by the way, am not an RJ pilot.

but whats wrong with going in with a little extra knowledge?

Please search some old threads on this subject for various opinions on this. It is not as simple as a "little extra knowledge."

[WacoFan]

A business is set up to make money. If there is a market need for a given product, then CPS should address the need. Would the profession of flying be better served if Michael and Patrick were on food stamps?

If there is a need, CPS should fill it. The quality of the instruction in the RJ course will determine if there is a value for people vs. other bridge courses. The market will determine this. The only thing that posters on JC need to add to this debate is "Good luck with that!". Shawn was correct above when he stated that the thread should have been an announcement and then locked. Also, I know these guys and I truly think that they will provide a good service. If they had an Air Tractor turbine transition course I would be all over it!

[Ian J]

Agreed. I probably shouldn't have continued to talk about it in this thread - this was simply an announcement of a new service they offer and probably should have been left at that.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by rorypang

Its seems all the people who are hating on RJ course are the one who are already in the RJ jobs, I am considering doing on of these courses. I will not be apying $10k, I am actually looking into PAN AM for about $4K. Yes I agree that you will be learning it again when you get the RJ job, but whats wrong with going in with a little extra knowlege? I have been looking into manu schools and seen many prices, what I am asking is for any JC members to give feedback on the school that they went to that offered a RJ course, so the undecided can move along.

No, I'm sorry, it has much more to do than just with the cost of the program. In two words, it's called Career Protection.

A 2k RJ course is not a course that supports the long term improvement of our profession. Same goes for a 10k course.

If, for a second, these airlines think that they can tell EVERYONE (even those MEIs, CFIs, and CFIIs with 1000's of dual given) that they must attend one of these courses from Bubba's RJ Shack, it'll just be the return of Pay for Training to get into the 121 industry.

Unfortunately, too many newbies have not spent the time reading about the negative affects of such a thing on our profession. I would highly recommend reading our very own Doug Taylor's Pay for Job/Pay for Training write-up that is located here: http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/42/65/

We can't save everyone, but we can try to save a few who will hopefully understand the industry a bit better and not make such a rash decision. Especially in today's market, where furloughs are on the doorsteps of many regional airlines - and in the past two months where 6 airlines how gone out of business flooding the market with qualified (and over qualified) pilots.

[Clocks]

Originally Posted by rorypang

Its seems all the people who are hating on RJ course are the one who are already in the RJ jobs, I am considering doing on of these courses. I will not be apying $10k, I am actually looking into PAN AM for about $4K. Yes I agree that you will be learning it again when you get the RJ job, but whats wrong with going in with a little extra knowlege? I have been looking into manu schools and seen many prices, what I am asking is for any JC members to give feedback on the school that they went to that offered a RJ course, so the undecided can move along.

I hate to crap in a buisnessman's thread, but there isn't much these programs can teach you that Microsoft flight sim and a trip to the library can't. There's a million books on turbine theory, CRM, swept wing and high speed aerodynamics. Not to mention the level of understanding needed by the airlines makes pre-learning that stuff almost irrelevant. CRM at my airline was watching Seconds from Disaster and analyzing the mistakes made. Aerodynamics was almost not talked about at all. Turbine engine theory was memorizing how many compressor sections there are in our engine, and an introduction to terminology probably so FOs don't sound any more stupid than they have to when they finish their walk around and tell their captain they think one of the propellers blades on their jet engine is bent.

The things that are harder to learn on your own since information is scarce? FMS, callouts, flows, systems.

What will be different at every airline you might get hired at? FMS, callouts, flows, systems.

So what is the benefit of paying thousands to learn a flight school's selection of FMS, callouts, flows, and systems when you're going to spend weeks and weeks and weeks being taught the "right way" by your airline when you get hired?

If you have the money it wont make you a worse pilot to take an RJ course. Some airlines may even hire you with fewer hours if you do take it. But if money is tight don't hesitate to do it the "old fashioned" way and learn the stuff on your own if you're really that interested. Chances are very few people in your class will have taken one. Even the 4 people from ATP, 5 if you include my short time there, in my new hire class hadn't (although back then it wasn't free).

[LoadMasterC141]

My cousin just completed indoc and sim for Air Wisconsin(AWAC). Even though he is an Air National Guard C-5 pilot, once C-130 pilot, he said the RJ training was harder than anything he has done in the Air Force.

Only 4 of the 9 original students in my cousins class completed this training at AWAC. These ranged from people with 4-5000 hours down to an ATP guy with 800 hours. How hard do you think it is going to be for those other 5 to now go find another RJ job? Unless they manage to cover it up well, I would bet pretty freaking hard.

You already spent $40-90k to get a job that starts out in the low 20's. If indoc is so hard, honestly, why not take the time to be as prepared as you can be? Results show that those with an RJ course are more apt to make it through indoc and become qualified line pilots. Right or wrong....That is that. Results have also shown that programs more comprehensive than a week long type show even better results.

[Clocks]

Then you have the opposite experience where my entire class of 16, and 14 of the 16 in the class after me made it through (the two that left quit, they were not released from training).

[777forever]

Im indifferent on RJ courses. I personally don't need it, but Im not going to shag on someone that wants to invest alittle or in this case alot of money into regional prep. Some people just struggle with technology and automation and need a couple rounds of batting practice before setting to the plate in the bottom of the ninth needing to score. I mean look at the training required for G1000s. 3 day to 1 week courses! I jumped in and flew a G1000 solo XC without cracking a book. Different strokes for different folks

[WacoFan]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

No, I'm sorry, it has much more to do than just with the cost of the program. In two words, it's called Career Protection.

A 2k RJ course is not a course that supports the long term improvement of our profession. Same goes for a 10k course.

If, for a second, these airlines think that they can tell EVERYONE (even those MEIs, CFIs, and CFIIs with 1000's of dual given) that they must attend one of these courses from Bubba's RJ Shack, it'll just be the return of Pay for Training to get into the 121 industry.

Unfortunately, too many newbies have not spent the time reading about the negative affects of such a thing on our profession. I would highly recommend reading our very own Doug Taylor's Pay for Job/Pay for Training write-up that is located here: http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/42/65/

We can't save everyone, but we can try to save a few who will hopefully understand the industry a bit better and not make such a rash decision. Especially in today's market, where furloughs are on the doorsteps of many regional airlines - and in the past two months where 6 airlines how gone out of business flooding the market with qualified (and over qualified) pilots.

These are all very valid points, but I would respectfully suggest that they are irrelevent to CPS which is not in business to improve the airline pilot profession. They are in business to pay their bank, and "put food on their families" to paraphrase GWB. Having DAL Captains at pre 9-11 pay does absolutely nothing for the principals of CPS. Not saying that your points are not valid, and not true...just saying that a small business (or even a large one) needs to focus on things like revenue and expense management and not try to do things such as "improve the pilot profession" or "help raise the bar", which would be difficult to measure and have no monetary benefit to the shareholders of CPS.

[rorypang]

OK, I admit I could have chosen a better word than hating as I appreciate that others may have different opinion, thats ok. Now, having read this article http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/42/65/ which was intersting. This is my take, if some one wanted to get a tailwheel endoresment go ahead, you dont have to but its a good thing to learn, so as a RJ course you may not need to do it, but if you can afford it why not. I also call a couple of the regionals, and asked their views, with a 25% drop out rate they see it as good thing.
If paying to get trained to fly to fly a RJ hurts pilot wages? I dont know. the economics of regionals are very different, like the Majors both need 2 pilots but the regionals carry a third or less passengers, flying more frequent than the majors, sometimes hourly and not always full.
I really think these are 2 different matters.