To those who need Multi time....

[Patrick]

Now that we have an additional twin on line here, we have room for one or possibly two students during the month of January to do some time building. If you're looking for a Multi rating and would like to combine that with spending a week flying anywhere in the US to build time, we can accommodate that this coming month. Please contact us to discuss your individual situation and what you are looking to accomplish.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by PatrickCPS

Now that we have an additional twin on line here, we have room for one or possibly two students during the month of January to do some time building. If you're looking for a Multi rating and would like to combine that with spending a week flying anywhere in the US to build time, we can accommodate that this coming month. Please contact us to discuss your individual situation and what you are looking to accomplish.

We are also offering free housing at our IXD base through the month of January.

Michael

[E6BAV8R]

Sounds like a great deal! What is the twin and how much are you charging in block times?

[Patrick]

Please check our website for pricing, or PM me for details.

[LoadMasterC141]

Dry rate for 100 hours is $12k I see. What kind of fuel burn can one expect on a Twin Comanche anyway?

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Dry rate for 100 hours is $12k I see. What kind of fuel burn can one expect on a Twin Comanche anyway?

It varies. Since students are time building, they can get the fuel burn down to 5gph per side at roughly 45% power. We try to fly between 9k and 12k to limit fuel burn and increase True Airspeed.

Michael

[LoadMasterC141]

Honestly, in 100 hours of flying, what do think Average fuel burn would be? 5 per side is the absolute lowest, but I am betting you are looking at an average burn rate of 7-8 GPH per side, or 14-16GPH.

So take the middle ground, call it 15GPH X 100 Hrs = 1500 Gallons

We'll take today's national average for 100LL and reduce it by 30% to reflect a savvy buyer,
$4.57 - $.14= $4.43/Gal
1500 X $4.43 = $6645
$12000 + $6645 = $18645 or $186/hr wet rate for a Twin Comanche


Now, I bet one could do even better than that personally. Avgas at my field is $3.99 right now. That would make it $179/hr.

I am not doing this to say your prices are bad. Quite the contrary. They seem more than fair to me if my math adds up correctly. Most wet twin rates in this area (Duchess, Seminole, Seneca) are running $175 to $200/hr.

I prefer to be more modest in estimates than you, as the potential customer, and payer, of course.

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Avgas at my field is $3.99 right now.

That's a hell of a good price right now. The FBO at KTKI is charging a hair over $5 per gallon for 100LL at the moment. Up at KSWI, the self-serve pump is around $3.99 a gallon, I think.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Honestly, in 100 hours of flying, what do think Average fuel burn would be? 5 per side is the absolute lowest, but I am betting you are looking at an average burn rate of 7-8 GPH per side, or 14-16GPH.

So take the middle ground, call it 15GPH X 100 Hrs = 1500 Gallons

We'll take today's national average for 100LL and reduce it by 30% to reflect a savvy buyer,
$4.57 - $.14= $4.43/Gal
1500 X $4.43 = $6645
$12000 + $6645 = $18645 or $186/hr wet rate for a Twin Comanche


Now, I bet one could do even better than that personally. Avgas at my field is $3.99 right now. That would make it $179/hr.

I am not doing this to say your prices are bad. Quite the contrary. They seem more than fair to me if my math adds up correctly. Most wet twin rates in this area (Duchess, Seminole, Seneca) are running $175 to $200/hr.

I prefer to be more modest in estimates than you, as the potential customer, and payer, of course.

Our regular retail price (not the time building or Career Pilot Program price) is $205/hour. There is a Seminole in town for $225.00.

I would say the average fuel burn over 100 hours is 12gph. Once we get Gami Injectors and EDM 760 Engine Analyzers on both planes, those numbers should be consistent if not lower than 12gph.

We utilize a dry rate so the student can make a decision on speed vs. economy. Do you want to keep it on the cheaper side? Burn less fuel. Want to go fast? You will pay for it at the pump.

Also, that $12000 includes a flight instructor riding around with you.

Michael

[LoadMasterC141]

Yeah so a decent price...sorry if I am spelling it out but I think it might help.

Also, what if you don't want an instructor with you? During your 100 hours, of what you said you can do whatever you like with, who pays for the Flight Instructors room and board? How is it logged?

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Yeah so a decent price...sorry if I am spelling it out but I think it might help.

Also, what if you don;t want an instrcutor with you? During your 100 hours, of what you said you can do whatever you like with, who pays for the Flight Instructors room and board? How is it logged?

The instructor is there to fulfill insurance requirements. You will need to log X amount as dual in order to satisfy insurance PIC requirements, but after that, if you don't want it marked as dual, you don't have to.

Michael

[LoadMasterC141]

Sounds good. Thanks for the quick replies!

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Sounds good. Thanks for the quick replies!

No problem. Off to the Japanese steak house for New Year's!

[Patrick]

Hope everyone had a happy new year, its 2008 now!

As far as the multi time goes, yes they are dry rates , which thus encourages you to fly the plane in a fuel efficient manner which directly benefits your wallet. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are less than reasonable with regard to the twins, there is a possibility you will meet our insurers requirements and be able to fly as the sole occupant, but more than likely you will have an MEI with you. However, once you are appropriately rated in the aircraft you can log the time as PIC non dual given.

Hope that clears everything up.

[LoadMasterC141]

Any hint on what the minimums are?

I'll have my CSEL/IFR with about 260 Hrs, 100 in Complex, by the time I am ready to get my multi license.

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Any hint on what the minimums are or is it a case by case basis? (Which seems weird).

I'll have my ASEL/IFR with about 260 Hrs, 100 in Complex, by the time I am ready to get my multi license.

To fly the aircraft solo:

300 Hours Total Time
50 Hours Multi
10 Hours PA30

Or
300 Hours Total Time
25 Hours Dual PA30

[E6BAV8R]

Originally Posted by MichaelCPS

To fly the aircraft solo:

300 Hours Total Time
50 Hours Multi
10 Hours PA30

Or
300 Hours Total Time
25 Hours Dual PA30

Is there a requirement stating what seat the MEI must sit in?

How much cheaper would it be if I did the 90 hours without the MEI on-board? I exceed all the requirements but the 10 in type.

Greg

[Michael95U]

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

Is there a requirement stating what seat the MEI must sit in?

How much cheaper would it be if I did the 90 hours without the MEI on-board? I exceed all the requirements but the 10 in type.

Greg

How about you do 90 hours with 10 dual? We prefer to have an MEI aboard at all times.

[Patrick]

There is no price difference, with MEI or not. The MEI sits right seat. Once you are rated in the aircraft, you may log PIC non dual received.