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Old December 15th, 2007, 21:23   #1
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Default Cleared Direct Via Radar Vectors/VFR On-Top

Hello, all, first post and I'm a student.

Thanks in advance.

Clearance Delivery:
"VFR On-Top, Cleared direct (Intersection) via radar vectors. If not VFR by 4,000, maintain 4,000 and report to departure. Departure on xxx.x...."

No departure instructions received from tower with take-off clearance.

Contacted departure once clear of the airport and climbing. Received positive radar contact but no vector. VFR conditions all the way up.

Are we cleared to turn direct to our point? And can we climb past 4,000 to a VFR cruise altitude without requesting if from ATC?
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Old December 16th, 2007, 00:08   #2
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Default Re: Cleared Direct Via Radar Vectors/VFR On-Top

I need more info to answer this question. did you request an IFR to VFR on top clearance? also, what is the weather like ehne you recieved this clearance.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 10:17   #3
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Default Re: Cleared Direct Via Radar Vectors/VFR On-Top

It was an IFR clearance. Weather was broken at about 2,500 and 5sm. We were able to get through a hole over the airport, however, but we were still under the clearance.
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 00:31   #4
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Default Re: Cleared Direct Via Radar Vectors/VFR On-Top

The correct way for clearance delivery to give you that clearance is

Sandman, clearance delivery, cleared to (intersection) via radar vectors, climp to and report reaching vfr-on-top, tops reported (altitude) or no tops reported, if not on top at 4 thousand, maintain 4 thousand and advise. maintain vfr-on-top. departure frequency xxx.x, squawk xxxx.

tower should give you an initial vector or a proceed on course. approach should also give u a vector to that intersection if the tower doesnt provide any vectors. i can see the tower not giving u vectors if there are specific departure routes in place for your airport or if there are procedures in place between the tower and approach control for departures. either way, you need a vector at some point.

NOTE-
1. When an aircraft has been cleared to maintain
“VFR‐on‐top,” the pilot is responsible to fly at an
appropriate VFR altitude, comply with VFR visibility and
distance from cloud criteria, and to be vigilant so as to see
and avoid other aircraft. The pilot is also responsible to
comply with instrument flight rules applicable to the flight
(e.g., adherence to ATC clearances).
2. Although standard IFR separation is not applied,
controllers shall continue to provide traffic advisories and
safety alerts, and apply merging target procedures to
aircraft operating VFR‐on‐top.

you are on an ifr flight. once you reach vfr-on-top you need to tell the controller. you will then get cleared to maintain vfr-on-top. at that point you are responsible to fly at a vfr altitude and fly vfr while still listening in for instructions like "maintain vfr-on-top between 3000 and 7000". at that point you can think of yourself on flight following but still on an ifr flight plan.

if you happen to get to 4000 and have not reached vfr-on-top, you need to stay at that altitude, advise of your situation and youll get more instructions from there.
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