Little issue....

[jonnyb]

Not sure if anyone else has noticed or cared about this but it's happened to me several times in the past few months; that being tower controllers transmitting to my aircraft and expecting a response during take off and landing. It mainly occurs on landing when the controller wants us to exit at a certain intersection. Most of the time when the controller has this request they don't expect a response, especially during the actual landing and rollout (mainly while still in the process of getting the airplane slowed down). Lately though, I've had a couple controllers repeat themselves a couple times as they were expecting an immediate response. Just drives me buggy!

Any controllers with knowledge and experience in this area care to reply? What's your procedure/guidlines in regards to transmitting to aircraft during take off and landing?

[DitchDriver]

How about... "hey, why don't you shut it so I can slow it... over" they were doing this in Atlanta last week.... we were holding short while quite a few landed with tower in a big hurry to question them while still rolling out... a few of them just flat out said.... "standby" another said, "keep your panties on" thought that was way out of line... the controller came back with a deep man's voice and said... "not wearing any, so there.."

[BobDDuck]

Our ASAP committee just posting something about this. The CLT controllers have been doing it on landing a bunch and have been told that it is not cool to do and should stop doing it. We'll see if it works.

Side note... As heard on CLT tower two days ago.

AAA123: "Good afternoon to the greatest tower controller ever, US123 for 18R"

TOWER: "How did you guess I was working?"

AAA123: "I didn't have to.... it was posted on the internet"

[scflyin]

BobDDuck, I kinda get a kick out of the guy that sounds like an auctioneer that works in CLT tower.

[DE727UPS]

I just spent 20 minutes looking through the 7110 and the AIM for where it says ATC isn't supposed to bother you on rollout. Couldn't find it. Could have sworn I read something about that at one time or another.

[ljg]

I am NOT a controller, this is only my own .02...

It is not appropriate for a controller to transmit non-essential info to a crew during critical phases of flight (i.e., landing rollout). It may just be that some very professional controllers out there just don't have the flying experience to preceisly know when it is ok to transmit taxi information to somebody. Think about it, it's probably very hard to judge from the tower if an airplane is doing 90 knots (unsafe in my opinion) or 50 knots (I would feel comfortable taking taxi instructions here).

I'm sure we do things all the time that tick off controllers and cause them extra work- not checking in with ATIS, not telling them your direct such-and-such on a handoff, not calling the field in sight for a visual until you are 10 miles away. Not cancelling in severe clear until 3 mile final.

[TonyWilliams]

There's nothing in writing, but certainly it's stupid for ATC to due.

I just ignore them.......

[jonnyb]

Hey Tony, I was born in your neck of the woods...Ventura. Yeah, I ignore them as well and inform them kindly that I will be happy to speak with them when I'm done landing the airplane (I know it sounds cheesy, but DAMN!). I just think it's a matter of misunderstanding on the part of the controllers; but it needs to be clarified and resolved....agreed?

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by jonnyb

Not sure if anyone else has noticed or cared about this but it's happened to me several times in the past few months; that being tower controllers transmitting to my aircraft and expecting a response during take off and landing. It mainly occurs on landing when the controller wants us to exit at a certain intersection. Most of the time when the controller has this request they don't expect a response, especially during the actual landing and rollout (mainly while still in the process of getting the airplane slowed down). Lately though, I've had a couple controllers repeat themselves a couple times as they were expecting an immediate response. Just drives me buggy!

Any controllers with knowledge and experience in this area care to reply? What's your procedure/guidlines in regards to transmitting to aircraft during take off and landing?

Personally, during the late phases of a landing, unless it's "Go around!", I'll generally ignore them until after touchdown.

[jonnyb]

Doug, I agree but I'm mainly speaking of post touchdown transmittions, such as immediately after touchdown and the time until the airplane is at a safe speed on the runway.

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by scflyin

BobDDuck, I kinda get a kick out of the guy that sounds like an auctioneer that works in CLT tower.

He was out on medical for about 6 months. He's back now. As far as I know he is one of the few people there that can work all the TRACON and tower positions. The funny thing is that the "voice" can get turned on and turned off as he feels like it. As much as I hate CLT slowing us to 150 (which brings up another point related to this thread... ATC can't assign a speed of less then 170) it is amusing to hear him do it.

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by jonnyb

Doug, I agree but I'm mainly speaking of post touchdown transmittions, such as immediately after touchdown and the time until the airplane is at a safe speed on the runway.

Kind of funny that you brought this up.

I was in LAS and I saw your plane flying in and tower asked you twice to hurry off the runway because of traffic behind you. I'm betting it was SWA because those guys are always flying fast finals. The only people I see going around at Hobby are Southwest 737s, I love it. I sometimes fly extra slow just to piss them off...

[jonnyb]

Yeah, I remember that.....and, we got off the runway where we always do. It's not like we're a Citation II flying a 90 or 100 kt ref speed....geezz.

[surreal1221]

Yes, there is nothing in the 7110.65 concerning communication restrictions while on short final . . .

But - what it does say, is that communications during short final should be kept to a minimum, unless aircraft seperation will be spoiled. So in essence, keep it shut unless an incursion is potentially developing.

[aeroman2]

I will answer them, after I am touched down, and at a considerable slower speed, it is not a safety issue for me to determine which taxiway would be quicker for me or the controller, just my 2 cents

[Dugie8]

I got this today in SGF of all places. No other traffic inbound and just before the wheels touched the controller was telling us to exit at such and such taxiway. Got my heart pumping for a second since a taxi way was coming up and there was no way we could make it.

[TonyWilliams]

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Got my heart pumping for a second since a taxi way was coming up and there was no way we could make it.

No reason to get your heart pumping.... but I would be looking for the plane (or ground vehicle) that they might want you to miss.

Unable is a great word.

[jonnyb]

Originally Posted by TonyWilliams

Unable is a great word.

Yes, very handy, and necessary at times.

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

He was out on medical for about 6 months. He's back now. As far as I know he is one of the few people there that can work all the TRACON and tower positions. The funny thing is that the "voice" can get turned on and turned off as he feels like it. As much as I hate CLT slowing us to 150 (which brings up another point related to this thread... ATC can't assign a speed of less then 170) it is amusing to hear him do it.

I know the "ON" switch. If you switch over and hear him working just check in as Blue...STREAK!!! and 90% of the time he'll eat it right up and get going. BTW, don't accept 150 in the 200. I sat in on a meeting and supposedly they know not to give it to us any more. Has it been happening to you lately out of CLT? I have several of the controller's cell numbers that were in the meeting and they want to make sure we're all on the same page.