Controller Questioning A Pilot's Technique . . . - Page 2

Dugie8 · May 26th, 2007, 14:43

I guess I will be the unpopular one. Take not tower guys/gals, us pilots do not want you looking out for us, blindly do things and pay no regard to the fact we MAY not be configured for landing (gear down) and let us belly land the airplane since questioning someone or being proactive on a situation may bruise someones ego.

Geeeesh, come on people, there was a miscomm somewhere and the tower didn't realize what was going on and did what she though was in the best interest of safety at the moment, after realizing there was no issue and no need to further delay Lloyd she cleared him to land. If the cancelled clearance and subsequent reclearance to land was such a threat to safety Lloyd should have gone around himself.

jonnyb · May 26th, 2007, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Dugie8

I guess I will be the unpopular one. Take not tower guys/gals, us pilots do not want you looking out for us, blindly do things and pay no regard to the fact we MAY not be configured for landing (gear down) and let us belly land the airplane since questioning someone or being proactive on a situation may bruise someones ego.

Geeeesh, come on people, there was a miscomm somewhere and the tower didn't realize what was going on and did what she though was in the best interest of safety at the moment, after realizing there was no issue and no need to further delay Lloyd she cleared him to land. If the cancelled clearance and subsequent reclearance to land was such a threat to safety Lloyd should have gone around himself.

I think you must have missed the point. Your above post is not correct. Lloyd wasn't preturbed by the fact of the controllers concern but of the way she handled it, and more importantly being issued a phone number and getting lectured by the tower supervisor that didn't know his place. Correct me if I'm wrong Lloyd.

Dugie8 · May 26th, 2007, 18:24

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Curious . . . at what point is it appropriate for a local controller to cancel a landing clearance, because the pilot was waiting too long to lower the gear?

I guess I missed that part in the above post JB about him being perterbed about the Cab Super. "lecturing" him.

jonnyb · May 26th, 2007, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Dugie8

I guess I missed that part in the above post JB about him being perterbed about the Cab Super. "lecturing" him.

Yeah, it's the last part of the story that's kinda jacked up. Controllers have enough to do, they certainly don't need to be telling professional pilots or any pilot for that matter, how to fly the airplane. Just a big pet peeve of mine I guess. Dang! I should've put that on my list from the past thread.

Dugie8 · May 26th, 2007, 21:57

I agree a controller shouldn't critique or be a critic BUT that wasn't the case here. A controller was on her toes, noticed an airplane close to landing without the gear down. Granted what she did wasn't the "by the book way" but if Lloyd was as close to the ground and runway as he makes it seem, I think the cancelled landing clearance was the better option than "check gear down".

mtsu_av8er · May 27th, 2007, 10:26

I see what you're saying - and if the controller had said, "FLX305, confirm gear down?", then I'd have absolutely no problem. However, the super giving me his little speech - well, that was over the line.

Dugie8 · May 27th, 2007, 10:33

The super, yup over the line, you showed more restraint than I would have. But also keep in mind, he doesn't know you, doesn't know your comfort level with the airplane and he most likely jumped to the conclusion that you were some rooky hot shot that simply forgot to put the gear down. Not exactly the best way to approach the situation, but not the worst either.

Me, I tend to put the gear down too far out, I'm paid by the minute, why not.

braunpilot · June 5th, 2007, 04:19

I don't know how many times that I have had to go around when I was TDY to TPA because I was going 30 knots faster than the A320 that was ahead of me on an intersecting runway. It was always the Citrus gang. But I know the Mil tower are required to ask about the gear, I just cannot believe that a Civ tower would lecture like that. All though, some ATC controllers think that they are god, ATC at CPS (For those who know).

May 26th, 2007, 14:43	#26
Dugie8 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: KRST Posts: 1,819	Re: Controller Questioning A Pilot's Technique . . . I guess I will be the unpopular one. Take not tower guys/gals, us pilots do not want you looking out for us, blindly do things and pay no regard to the fact we MAY not be configured for landing (gear down) and let us belly land the airplane since questioning someone or being proactive on a situation may bruise someones ego. Geeeesh, come on people, there was a miscomm somewhere and the tower didn't realize what was going on and did what she though was in the best interest of safety at the moment, after realizing there was no issue and no need to further delay Lloyd she cleared him to land. If the cancelled clearance and subsequent reclearance to land was such a threat to safety Lloyd should have gone around himself. __________________ Aircraft without engine(s) prohibited... -KMIA 10-9

May 26th, 2007, 21:57	#30
Dugie8 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: KRST Posts: 1,819	Re: Controller Questioning A Pilot's Technique . . . I agree a controller shouldn't critique or be a critic BUT that wasn't the case here. A controller was on her toes, noticed an airplane close to landing without the gear down. Granted what she did wasn't the "by the book way" but if Lloyd was as close to the ground and runway as he makes it seem, I think the cancelled landing clearance was the better option than "check gear down". __________________ Aircraft without engine(s) prohibited... -KMIA 10-9

May 27th, 2007, 10:26	#31
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,398	Re: Controller Questioning A Pilot's Technique . . . I see what you're saying - and if the controller had said, "FLX305, confirm gear down?", then I'd have absolutely no problem. However, the super giving me his little speech - well, that was over the line. __________________ ------- "Sadness bears no remedy for the problems in your life."

May 27th, 2007, 10:33	#32
Dugie8 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: KRST Posts: 1,819	Re: Controller Questioning A Pilot's Technique . . . The super, yup over the line, you showed more restraint than I would have. But also keep in mind, he doesn't know you, doesn't know your comfort level with the airplane and he most likely jumped to the conclusion that you were some rooky hot shot that simply forgot to put the gear down. Not exactly the best way to approach the situation, but not the worst either. Me, I tend to put the gear down too far out, I'm paid by the minute, why not. __________________ Aircraft without engine(s) prohibited... -KMIA 10-9

June 5th, 2007, 04:19	#33
braunpilot Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 33	Re: Controller Questioning A Pilot's Technique . . . I don't know how many times that I have had to go around when I was TDY to TPA because I was going 30 knots faster than the A320 that was ahead of me on an intersecting runway. It was always the Citrus gang. But I know the Mil tower are required to ask about the gear, I just cannot believe that a Civ tower would lecture like that. All though, some ATC controllers think that they are god, ATC at CPS (For those who know). __________________ Thunderstorms are natures way of saying Up Yours.

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