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February 19th, 2007, 19:57
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|  Class G tower My instructor said that there is a tower not specified as a class B,C, or D. Have you guys heard about it, or know how I could find it myself, I did try google and I won't even go into the results! Thanx
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February 19th, 2007, 20:29
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| Re: Class G tower Maybe a TRSA? |
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February 19th, 2007, 20:34
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Grand Prarie, TX - KGPM Fort Worth Spinks, TX - KFWS All class G towers. It seems kinda retarded to me, having uncontrolled controlled airspace.
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February 19th, 2007, 20:49
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| Re: Class G tower Lake City, FL KLCQ
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February 19th, 2007, 20:49
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| Re: Class G tower 91.126(d) establishes the rule for talking to control towers in class G airspace. You still have to talk to them within 4nm up to 2500 AGL. there are some tradeoffs to it. You cant get an SVFR clearance from one of these towers because there is no controlled airspace extending to the surface, but you dont need one either because of class G cloud clearances. (1sm vis, clear of clouds during the day). |
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February 19th, 2007, 21:56
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| Re: Class G tower Is it bad that I'm almost a CFI and haven't heard of this at all? 
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February 19th, 2007, 22:39
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| Re: Class G tower Thanks for the quick replies!!! HOLY COW they do exist!! And one in florida !!!
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February 19th, 2007, 23:13
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| Re: Class G tower I had no idea! I guess I thought a control tower = controlled airspace.
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February 19th, 2007, 23:25
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February 19th, 2007, 23:45
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February 20th, 2007, 02:21
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| Re: Class G tower Hey try this one on for size. Vancouver Pearson airport (KVUO) in Vancouver, Washington is a Class D airspace, and it doesn't have a control tower. However, it lies just a couple miles underneath the final approach course for Portland International, so pilots going into or out of Pearson must contact PDX tower first. |
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February 20th, 2007, 08:13
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| Re: Class G tower Last week, the Arlington (GKY) tower announced that the airport 'was going IFR' when the ceiling dropped just below 1,000 feet - if it's still G airspace, why would he bother? |
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February 20th, 2007, 13:35
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February 20th, 2007, 17:26
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| Re: Class G tower Technically, you can enter the airspace, the pattern and land all without talking to the control tower that resides in a Class G airspace. Pretty scary...eh?
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February 20th, 2007, 17:27
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| Re: Class G tower Quote:
A Class G tower is just a D airspace with more lienient day weather requirements. That and there are really no dimensions. The GKY tower treats it as a D, for sure.
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February 20th, 2007, 18:46
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February 20th, 2007, 20:06
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| Re: Class G tower Quote:
though your post is right, *if* you are have lost two way radio contact and enter the pattern and wait for a visual clearance to land (also contained in that reg i posted). If you have radios and do what you describe, expect the FBO lineman to give you the phone number to the tower. 91.126 scary indeed... | |
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February 20th, 2007, 21:01
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| Re: Class G tower Quote:
If you're private pilot and you don't know the regs as good as some of the rest of us do, you can be in serious trouble... Normally (us that didn't train in a G with TWR) know that in a G there are no aircraft or pilot requirements. IE- No two way radio communication needed You have to be extra-cautious in an airspace like GKY, etc. Good regulation find by the way.
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February 20th, 2007, 21:40
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| Re: Class G tower Quote:
I got ask that one on my private oral. Fortunately my instructor pointed out before so I knew. | |
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February 21st, 2007, 12:46
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February 22nd, 2007, 00:18
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| Re: Class G tower Quote:
The tower frequency is not on the sectional. That violation would never hold up.
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February 23rd, 2007, 01:12
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| Re: Class G tower So basically it's like class D, except extremely dangerous because during the day, vis can be 1SM with planes from 2 major flight schools and stuck-gear planes from a cheap multi outfit all buzzing around in the pattern (GKY)? Why the heck not just make it class D? Also, why doesn't GKY have the tower freq on the sectional, but FWS does? The last time I went up to GKY I had heard the tower was open, but was VFR and without approach plates. I guess ASOS will tell you the tower freq, but every once in a while I'm lazy when the weather is really good and just listen for the winds/alt setting (a bad habit I will drop after this discussion). Anyway, I always get flight following, but a guy buzzing in below class B without flight following might not have any idea there's a tower there! I just don't get it. Was the tower not open before September 28, '06? Also, does the FAA not put tower freqs, etc. on sectionals that are scheduled to open during the next sectional validity period? Also, the last time I was at GKY, there was a huge construction crane just east of final approach for 16 that the tower had no idea about...I think it was about 300 feet high - maybe not a factor if you can fly anything close to a decent pattern, but I would have thought the tower would have been notified by someone other than the pilots of the aircraft preceding us. Maybe class G tower don't find out about crucial information that class D towers would. Mind boggling... *Edit: The tower freq is in the AFD, so I guess even the guy buzzing in below class B should know there's a tower. I still think the airport should be blue on the sectional, though.
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February 23rd, 2007, 11:41
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February 23rd, 2007, 12:00
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| Re: Class G tower Now, this is just what I read from a CFI Candidate taking his checkride at the Ft. Worth Alliance FSDO- I guess he asked 3/4 inspectors why Spinks and Prairie were G towers, when the have the same dimensions, entry requirement and night weather minimums, because they could easily be Class D's. Unfourtunately not one inspector knew the answer or knew anyone who did. Supposedly- To be a Class D tower the airport needs advanced weather reporting equipment which would eventually lead to an ATIS. As where Arlington, Spinks, and Prairie all have ASOS3. Again, if anyone thinks this is wrong, let me know.
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February 23rd, 2007, 14:21
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| Re: Class G tower I saw on a website that the control tower there opened in I think October of last year, after the current sectional came out, so it should be listed on the next sectional revision. |
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