Putting All Your Eggs in the FAA Basket

[WoH]

Urg...

...indications of your attitude

Originally Posted by queeno

after 29 years 3 months and 27 days

You were counting the days...people don't really count down to when good things end

Originally Posted by queeno

it feels great to have my life back

So this job robbed you of a your life...doesn't sound like a job you enjoyed

Originally Posted by queeno

why waste your time putting up with the bull the FFA is dishing out

So what do you mean by this exactly...because it seems like you're suggesting we shy away from this job completely

Originally Posted by queeno

my way of getting even with the FFA

Getting even...for what...we know they are inefficient and don't care...but for you to say this we're guessing that they slighted you personally or that you blame some dis-enjoyment on them...and well...that seems to suggest again that you didn't like you job.

Look, we're not trying to say that you're wrong, your feelings are unfounded, or that the FAA isn't a totally lame agency...

We just don't want your buzz kill...okay?

Why would you come to the application forum to brag about retirement anyway?

[queeno]

Originally Posted by swinte00

You are really here to try and get a rise out of people, aren't you?

I never said that I was going to be a big shot like you. Nor did I say I was going to retire and brag about it, all while flaming some internet forum about how awful the FAA really is. This forum obviously isn't the place for you. I think the local retirement center or Wal-Mart cafe would suit you just fine.

I like the FSM area, and perhaps one day I will move on to a busier facility. I'm glad that I was chosen for FSM because it's a nice facility, the people are great, and it seems like a good area to get a feel for my future career.

Again, I'm sorry you feel the need to get on an internet forum and berate potential employees of the FAA with sarcastic remarks and a sorry attitude toward the agency that gave you gainful employment for 29+ years.

my first post was done in humor if you couldnt figure it out. now whos berateing who?and if you didnt like my 2nd post well toooooooooo bad.

[szaryk]

This guy will always have a negative outlook (I honestly find it hard to believe he was ever excited about his career). And now he has all the time in the world to sit at home complaining while getting paid!

He reminds me a lot of the 20-year bitter, jaded captains I used to fly with who just can't understand why the airlines don't want to pay them $300K to fly big shiny jets around the sky.

Life is all about expectations. Some people have reasonable ones; some don't. Maybe he should take this time off to get a hobby. I hear there's a lot of good books out on the market these days:

http://www.amazon.com/Self-Help-Heal...UTF8&node=4736

[queeno]

Originally Posted by WoH

Urg...

...indications of your attitude



You were counting the days...people don't really count down to when good things end



So this job robbed you of a your life...doesn't sound like a job you enjoyed



So what do you mean by this exactly...because it seems like you're suggesting we shy away from this job completely



Getting even...for what...we know they are inefficient and don't care...but for you to say this we're guessing that they slighted you personally or that you blame some dis-enjoyment on them...and well...that seems to suggest again that you didn't like you job.

Look, we're not trying to say that you're wrong, your feelings are unfounded, or that the FAA isn't a totally lame agency...

We just don't want your buzz kill...okay?

Why would you come to the application forum to brag about retirement anyway?

see above post

[queeno]

Originally Posted by szaryk

This guy will always have a negative outlook (I honestly find it hard to believe he was ever excited about his career). And now he has all the time in the world to sit at home complaining while getting paid!

He reminds me a lot of the 20-year bitter, jaded captains I used to fly with who just can't understand why the airlines don't want to pay them $300K to fly big shiny jets around the sky.

Life is all about expectations. Some people have reasonable ones; some don't. Maybe he should take this time off to get a hobby. I hear there's a lot of good books out on the market these days:

http://www.amazon.com/Self-Help-Heal...UTF8&node=4736

iam negative, you havent been around controller very long have you???

[szaryk]

Originally Posted by queeno

iam negative, you havent been around controller very long have you???

I've been hanging around pilots and controllers for 10 years and 90 percent of them aren't half as bitter as you.

Just do us all a favor and go find create a Bitter Jaded FAA Employees Who Still Collect Their Paychecks forum and post there. The rest of us are excited about our futures and don't need the attitude.

I'm out -- it's a great day outside in BOS!

[greg1016]

omg quit the flame war and drop it already, all of you

[queeno]

Originally Posted by szaryk

I've been hanging around pilots and controllers for 10 years and 90 percent of them aren't half as bitter as you.

Just do us all a favor and go find create a Bitter Jaded FAA Employees Who Still Collect Their Paychecks forum and post there. The rest of us are excited about our futures and don't need the attitude.

I'm out -- it's a great day outside in BOS!

but have you ever worked with them? hanging out is one thing being one is another. iam not bitter you folks just cant handle the truth

[tacotico]

Originally Posted by greg1016

omg quit the flame war and drop it already, all of you

It's fun when people listen to you, isn't it?!

[swinte00]

I wonder if the Ammolite train will be stopping by here anytime soon?

But I digress...

To those of you still waiting, I can only hope that October comes for all of you sooner rather than later. I understand your frustrations of waiting, the uncertainty, and all that. Just hang in there!

[SnareMV17]

Is it just me, or are some of you guys getting a little hysterical about the long wait? I understand there are some circumstances that creat some hardships for people the longer this process takes. But man alive, enjoy your time at home and with your families while you can. OKC might just seem like San Quentin

[gourgi18]

Have a drink for me Queeno! For what it's worth, I thought your first posts were funny.

[Zoesmom1020]

Originally Posted by gourgi18

Have a drink for me Queeno! For what it's worth, I thought your first posts were funny.

hehe. I *kinda* agree. I remember queeno from PUBNAT 1. He (I assume) and ATLTRACON were constantly trying to warn us about getting involved with he FAA, although ATL wasn't as brutal with his choice of words. But for what it's worth, queeno, my husband was picked up by ZAU and said everyone was really nice and helpful when he toured the facility last month. If hats where you retired from THANKS for opening up a spot for him. Maybe we'll see you around Aurora sometime! I'll buy you a *cheap* drink since we won't be getting paid what we deserve.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by Zoesmom1020

hehe. I *kinda* agree. I remember queeno from PUBNAT 1. He (I assume) and ATLTRACON were constantly trying to warn us about getting involved with he FAA, although ATL wasn't as brutal with his choice of words. But for what it's worth, queeno, my husband was picked up by ZAU and said everyone was really nice and helpful when he toured the facility last month. If hats where you retired from THANKS for opening up a spot for him. Maybe we'll see you around Aurora sometime! I'll buy you a *cheap* drink since we won't be getting paid what we deserve.

no i left ZAU in 2004 for C90, most of the controllers at ZAU are very good people .its the idiots running it thats the problem.one of my peeps is a FLM and he said training is screwed up by ERAM,but training was just as screwed 25 years ago so i guess nothing ever changes.

if he has a chance tell your hub to try for the north east or the east area, i worked north east when i was there, good people there plus they can tell him OG (that was me) stories.

i never told people not to work for the FFA just watch out for that evil side of the coin that most dont want to belive.when do you plan on getting into town ,i can show you where you dont want to live.ill PM you my e-mail if you want to get a hold of me.good luck

OG
C90/ZAU
retired

[queeno]

Originally Posted by gourgi18

Have a drink for me Queeno! For what it's worth, I thought your first posts were funny.

thanks at least a few of you got it,sounds like there too many up tight folks on here, makes me wonder how they are gonna deal with all the stress( like being a trainee which is the worst thing to be).

[Polarbear]

Sorry I am a little slow to post, heck until just a few weeks ago, I did not not have time in the past year and a half to post on here regularly. I'm sure when I reach radar training, I'll be gone again for a while again.

Reality check for those in the process who have not yet made it or are just arriving at OKC.

You are entering a career full of bitter people. The higher the level facility you go to, the higher the bitterness. Go to Chicago, Atlanta, New York, or any high level facility and you'll see this quick. This is a stressful job. It wears on you quick. Most that have been doing this job 20-30 years are not going to paint rosey pictures for you. If you can't handle your dream of being in a fun filled atmosphere being shot down by some old bitter controller, you should find something else to do or make sure you get some low level facility.

All this being said Queeno, your bitterness cracks me up.

[ladiesolo]

Originally Posted by swinte00

Dare I keep the bantering going back and forth, however I will explain to you MY personal reasons for being excited about a job with the "FFA"

First and foremost, I have a love for aviation and anything related to it. Being around or involved with this particular field is something I have always wanted to do since I was young enough to point at the sky and shout "AIRPLANE!"

Second, the idea and possibility of becoming an ATC is something that excites me. Not only because it's a job that your average joe does not have, but it's a challenge. It's a career that is going to push me mentally, and being the type of person that I am, I look for a challenge.

Regardless of placement in the rankings amongst other government agencies, the "FFA" is one that is responsible for the well-being and safety of millions of lives every year. I plan on taking pride in my job and in knowing that I will be doing a service for the people that may or may not know the inner-workings and hard work that pilots, controllers, maintenance staff, flight attendants, and many others that I have not mentioned put into their jobs every day.

From the CPCs and developmentals I have spoken with in my area and at my future facility, your opinions seem to be the exception as opposed to the rule. I respect your opinions and can somewhat empathize with your disgruntled opinions of the FAA, but as Doug said above, we're trying to stay friendly and more importantly, helpful to those who are looking forward to taking this career path, regardless of your experiences.

Well put, Imma fan!

[queeno]

Originally Posted by Polarbear

Sorry I am a little slow to post, heck until just a few weeks ago, I did not not have time in the past year and a half to post on here regularly. I'm sure when I reach radar training, I'll be gone again for a while again.

Reality check for those in the process who have not yet made it or are just arriving at OKC.

You are entering a career full of bitter people. The higher the level facility you go to, the higher the bitterness. Go to Chicago, Atlanta, New York, or any high level facility and you'll see this quick. This is a stressful job. It wears on you quick. Most that have been doing this job 20-30 years are not going to paint rosey pictures for you. If you can't handle your dream of being in a fun filled atmosphere being shot down by some old bitter controller, you should find something else to do or make sure you get some low level facility.

All this being said Queeno, your bitterness cracks me up.

hell you think iam bitter talk to my peeps at C90 and ZAU that still have to work,you would think iam santa.

[Polarbear]

Originally Posted by queeno

hell you think iam bitter talk to my pees at C90 and ZAU that still have to work,you would think iam santa.

LOL, I knew one that controlled there and was a tower sup at KRFD before he retired in '04. No, your not anywhere near as bitter as some guys I know.

[CubPilot84]

It must be hell sitting on your ass all day making "85%" of ATC salary lol...

There is nothing to be bitter about, it's over. You had one of the shortest careers available which also happens to be a well paid government position. Call me an optimist but I prefer to look at the benefits and not the anguish...

You should use some of that dough and take a vacation to Africa. It kind of puts things in perspective when you are sitting here pissing and moaning about a career that paid out 100+ grand a year, dealing with the stress of that ain't when you think about people that can't even put food on the table... How about the stress level of that?

Quit whining and go find a forum who cares...

[jeffm1999]

probably $200+ if he was under the old pay system...

[queeno]

Originally Posted by CubPilot84

It must be hell sitting on your ass all day making "85%" of ATC salary lol...

There is nothing to be bitter about, it's over. You had one of the shortest careers available which also happens to be a well paid government position. Call me an optimist but I prefer to look at the benefits and not the anguish...

You should use some of that dough and take a vacation to Africa. It kind of puts things in perspective when you are sitting here pissing and moaning about a career that paid out 100+ grand a year, dealing with the stress of that ain't when you think about people that can't even put food on the table... How about the stress level of that?

Quit whining and go find a forum who cares...

ahhh another CTI hero ,ive see quite a few of your types shown the door.
hay are you gonna be like the one we got that said he had ATC experience because he was a supervisor on VATSIM? i can still hear them laughing at that one.

nothing like being lectured by someone whos never pay his dues

[swinte00]

It's people like the above poster that make me want to do this job that much more, just to prove that no matter where I'm controlling or how busy it is, I"ll be thankful for what I have and not complain about it.

We get it. You were a controller in some of the busiest airspace in the nation. But guess what? Just like you don't care what a CTI/OTS applicant has to say about the job, none of them care about your hatred and animosity toward the agency you worked for either. You're retired now. Get outside, go do things you've wanted to do during your career that you didn't get the opportunity to do. Why waste your time on an internet forum bashing people when you're just going to be ignored anyways? It's pointless.

So why don't we drop the piss-poor attitudes and get along and try to help those out who have questions? Isn't that what this forum is for? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I found this website one of the most helpful places about choosing this career path without your negative input, and I plan on "paying it forward" for those who plan to do the same.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by swinte00

It's people like the above poster that make me want to do this job that much more, just to prove that no matter where I'm controlling or how busy it is, I"ll be thankful for what I have and not complain about it.

We get it. You were a controller in some of the busiest airspace in the nation. But guess what? Just like you don't care what a CTI/OTS applicant has to say about the job, none of them care about your hatred and animosity toward the agency you worked for either. You're retired now. Get outside, go do things you've wanted to do during your career that you didn't get the opportunity to do. Why waste your time on an internet forum bashing people when you're just going to be ignored anyways? It's pointless.

So why don't we drop the piss-poor attitudes and get along and try to help those out who have questions? Isn't that what this forum is for? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I found this website one of the most helpful places about choosing this career path without your negative input, and I plan on "paying it forward" for those who plan to do the same.

yes your correct you need to drop your piss-poor attitude.and yes i was just out side,i took a nice drive in my 2009 Hemi Challenger R/T man that car can move.

[Raydon]

where's that popcorn smiley - bitchy-flamefest-fights are fun!

there it is!