Putting All Your Eggs in the FAA Basket

[WoH]

Originally Posted by KT430

So is putting two Geo pref on your application would seem to limit (all your eggs in one basket) you in your chance of gettting picked up right? Say the areas you pick have no need for new staffing.

Yes...that is why people are always asking "Where do they need people?"
and the answer always is "No one knows....it's a crap shoot"

Make sure you put...Will to work throughout the nation and territories...in the comments section.

[hollywood6soccer]

I am sympathetic with everyone. I am pulling for all those who have applied and didn't get selected from the referral list, the ones who weren't aware they should be applying to each pubnat that opened to increase their opportunities, and the ones like me who have completed that arduous pre-employment process and are solely waiting on a class date.

My story begins with attending a small private liberal arts college and the uncertain goal of what career to be aspiring to. I was always planning on doing something math related but after a few years of study I knew that engineering, teaching, and finance were not going to be the careers for me. My parents suggested ATC because they both work for the AA and I looked into it finding it to be a perfect fit for what I wanted to do! I put in my app as I graduated and have been waiting one year, one month, and a week. I do have being an ATC as my only desire as a career but do have a decent job, right now, as I wait. My optimism, spirit, and determination are fueling my patience and I know that eventually it will all be worth it!

I am fortunate to have my parents assisting me with a place to stay, and I am making some money, but I would be struggling on my own with all the bills, such as student loans, I have to pay. This is why I can't wait to get to OKC and get this career on the way. Hope, patience, and this comforting feeling that I'm doing this along with so many other people make this wait much more bearable.

I wish the best for all of yall out there! Take care and it's a pleasure to be on this journey with all of you!

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[Barty]

Originally Posted by Zhaj

I'm a PUB2er still waiting on my FOL. I had to go through the MMPI2 retake which caused a severe delay in my processing. I just hope that my facility is not one of the extremely overbooked and that being from PUB2 gives me an edge despite getting cleared later than most 3-4ers.

Hang in there peeps, this is close to just straight up mental abuse lol
If anyone at ZSE has an idea of how the facility is looking as far as staffing plllleeassssee let me know

Though it doesn't help out you guys, the folks at CAMI are going through the process of adjusting their metrics for the MMPI to reduce the number of people who have to re-test. They've had several classes out here in OKC (mine included) take various personality and interest tests to better fine tune their criteria.

So hopefully the large numbers of people having to be further evaluated after "failing" the MMPI will decrease. Of course all of this is subject to the typical bureaucratic process, but the lady who spoke to us really seemed to be pretty sincere about fixing that process, not only to decrease their workload, but to reduce the time and frustration of the applicants in the pool. She said we were all a little "off" what would be considered normal for most other professions anyway.

[Polarbear]

Greatest advice I ever got from someone is never put your eggs in one basket, always have a back up.

This is true for the FAA. Until you get your FOL, treat life as your never going to get it. When you get your FOL. Always keep back ups until you reach CPC. When you reach CPC, make sure you have a back up if you fail a medical, have a bad deal, lose your security clearance, or any of the numerous other ways you can find yourself back on the street.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by Polarbear

Greatest advice I ever got from someone is never put your eggs in one basket, always have a back up.

This is true for the FAA. Until you get your FOL, treat life as your never going to get it. When you get your FOL. Always keep back ups until you reach CPC. When you reach CPC, make sure you have a back up if you fail a medical, have a bad deal, lose your security clearance, or any of the numerous other ways you can find yourself back on the street.

yep after 29 years 3 months and 27 days i find my self back on the street with out a job.






























and it feels great to have my life back.

[greg1016]

with a pension?

[queeno]

Originally Posted by greg1016

with a pension?

let me put it to you this way,


iam on the never ending day off with pay for the rest of my life and iam only 49.when you can make 85% of you take home pay sitting at home, why waste your time putting up with the bull the FFA is dishing out.

my way of getting even with the FFA is to be retired longer than i worked,now i have on my to go and suckle on my government teet.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the government teet gives the best milk.

[swinte00]

Originally Posted by queeno

let me put it to you this way,


iam on the never ending day off with pay for the rest of my life and iam only 49.when you can make 85% of you take home pay sitting at home, why waste your time putting up with the bull the FFA is dishing out.

my way of getting even with the FFA is to be retired longer than i worked,now i have on my to go and suckle on my government teet.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the government teet gives the best milk.

Were you En-route or TRACON? Past posts say TRACON, more recently you say En-route.

Either way, you bring a negative vibe to this forum and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions, more people come here for information rather than to disrespect others, whether it be a government agency or individual.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by swinte00

Were you En-route or TRACON? Past posts say TRACON, more recently you say En-route.

Either way, you bring a negative vibe to this forum and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions, more people come here for information rather than to disrespect others, whether it be a government agency or individual.

ok where did i disrespect any one with my response?????????????????

[swinte00]

Originally Posted by queeno

ok where did i disrespect any one with my response?????????????????

I'm not trying to argue, however, I am saying that in some of your messages, your tone is condescending and unhelpful.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by swinte00

I'm not trying to argue, however, I am saying that in some of your messages, your tone is condescending and unhelpful.

condescending? you show how little you know about what goes on in ATC.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by queeno

condescending? you show how little you know about what goes on in ATC.

Yup, however this is Jetcareers.com and we're going to keep it friendly around here.

[tacotico]

Originally Posted by swinte00

I'm not trying to argue, however, I am saying that in some of your messages, your tone is condescending and unhelpful.

Well said. Most of the people, looking at these threads at least, are excited to work for the "FFA", and don't want to be disheartened.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by tacotico

Well said. Most of the people, looking at these threads at least, are excited to work for the "FFA", and don't want to be disheartened.

are we talking about the same FFA,the one that placed 214 out of 216 of all government agencies, is that the one your excited about????

[swinte00]

Originally Posted by queeno

are we talking about the same FFA,the one that placed 214 out of 216 of all government agencies, is that the one your excited about????

Dare I keep the bantering going back and forth, however I will explain to you MY personal reasons for being excited about a job with the "FFA"

First and foremost, I have a love for aviation and anything related to it. Being around or involved with this particular field is something I have always wanted to do since I was young enough to point at the sky and shout "AIRPLANE!"

Second, the idea and possibility of becoming an ATC is something that excites me. Not only because it's a job that your average joe does not have, but it's a challenge. It's a career that is going to push me mentally, and being the type of person that I am, I look for a challenge.

Regardless of placement in the rankings amongst other government agencies, the "FFA" is one that is responsible for the well-being and safety of millions of lives every year. I plan on taking pride in my job and in knowing that I will be doing a service for the people that may or may not know the inner-workings and hard work that pilots, controllers, maintenance staff, flight attendants, and many others that I have not mentioned put into their jobs every day.

From the CPCs and developmentals I have spoken with in my area and at my future facility, your opinions seem to be the exception as opposed to the rule. I respect your opinions and can somewhat empathize with your disgruntled opinions of the FAA, but as Doug said above, we're trying to stay friendly and more importantly, helpful to those who are looking forward to taking this career path, regardless of your experiences.

[CubPilot84]

Originally Posted by swinte00

Dare I keep the bantering going back and forth, however I will explain to you MY personal reasons for being excited about a job with the "FFA"

First and foremost, I have a love for aviation and anything related to it. Being around or involved with this particular field is something I have always wanted to do since I was young enough to point at the sky and shout "AIRPLANE!"

Second, the idea and possibility of becoming an ATC is something that excites me. Not only because it's a job that your average joe does not have, but it's a challenge. It's a career that is going to push me mentally, and being the type of person that I am, I look for a challenge.

Regardless of placement in the rankings amongst other government agencies, the "FFA" is one that is responsible for the well-being and safety of millions of lives every year. I plan on taking pride in my job and in knowing that I will be doing a service for the people that may or may not know the inner-workings and hard work that pilots, controllers, maintenance staff, flight attendants, and many others that I have not mentioned put into their jobs every day.

From the CPCs and developmentals I have spoken with in my area and at my future facility, your opinions seem to be the exception as opposed to the rule. I respect your opinions and can somewhat empathize with your disgruntled opinions of the FAA, but as Doug said above, we're trying to stay friendly and more importantly, helpful to those who are looking forward to taking this career path, regardless of your experiences.

Couldn't have said it better

[szaryk]

Originally Posted by queeno

are we talking about the same FFA,the one that placed 214 out of 216 of all government agencies, is that the one your excited about????

Apparently you've never worked for an airline

[queeno]

Originally Posted by szaryk

Apparently you've never worked for an airline

id say thay are neck and neck.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by swinte00

Dare I keep the bantering going back and forth, however I will explain to you MY personal reasons for being excited about a job with the "FFA"

First and foremost, I have a love for aviation and anything related to it. Being around or involved with this particular field is something I have always wanted to do since I was young enough to point at the sky and shout "AIRPLANE!"

Second, the idea and possibility of becoming an ATC is something that excites me. Not only because it's a job that your average joe does not have, but it's a challenge. It's a career that is going to push me mentally, and being the type of person that I am, I look for a challenge.

Regardless of placement in the rankings amongst other government agencies, the "FFA" is one that is responsible for the well-being and safety of millions of lives every year. I plan on taking pride in my job and in knowing that I will be doing a service for the people that may or may not know the inner-workings and hard work that pilots, controllers, maintenance staff, flight attendants, and many others that I have not mentioned put into their jobs every day.

From the CPCs and developmentals I have spoken with in my area and at my future facility, your opinions seem to be the exception as opposed to the rule. I respect your opinions and can somewhat empathize with your disgruntled opinions of the FAA, but as Doug said above, we're trying to stay friendly and more importantly, helpful to those who are looking forward to taking this career path, regardless of your experiences.

oh drop the ra ra sis boom ba, what you think your the only one thats ever taken pride in the job.you think your the only one that wanted to be a controller, you think us old timer were always cynical about the FED,spend 25 years in ZAU and C90 and then tell me about it.FSM isnt even close to the center of the ATC world, there happy cause they dont have to work a lot of traffic and make good money for the area, try being an OTS at C90 or ZAU.oh and there is nothing exciting about atc, if it is than your doing something wrong.

[tacotico]

Originally Posted by queeno

oh drop the ra ra sis boom ba, what you think your the only one thats ever taken pride in the job.you think your the only one that wanted to be a controller, you think us old timer were always cynical about the FED,spend 25 years in ZAU and C90 and then tell me about it.FSM isnt even close to the center of the ATC world, there happy cause they dont have to work a lot of traffic and make good money for the area, try being an OTS at C90 or ZAU.oh and there is nothing exciting about atc, if it is than your doing something wrong.

You know, I get that you have been in the business of ATC for a long time, and it may get boring and monotonous, but was it at least exciting at first? I know I enjoyed what few months I was lucky enough to train/work. My dad has been a controller for about the same amount of time as you, and still enjoys going to work every day. I know many of the guys on his specialty, and they all still ,more or less, love the job.
What's your deal? Why did you stick with it for so long if you are bored?

[queeno]

Originally Posted by tacotico

You know, I get that you have been in the business of ATC for a long time, and it may get boring and monotonous, but was it at least exciting at first? I know I enjoyed what few months I was lucky enough to train/work. My dad has been a controller for about the same amount of time as you, and still enjoys going to work every day. I know many of the guys on his specialty, and they all still ,more or less, love the job.
What's your deal? Why did you stick with it for so long if you are bored?

who said i was bored , and who said i didnt enjoy doing the job,your reading thing that were never said.

[tacotico]

Originally Posted by queeno

who said i was bored , and who said i didnt enjoy doing the job,your reading thing that were never said.

When you said that you thought there was "nothing exciting" about ATC, deductive reasoning lead me to think you were bored.

[swinte00]

Originally Posted by queeno

oh drop the ra ra sis boom ba, what you think your the only one thats ever taken pride in the job.you think your the only one that wanted to be a controller, you think us old timer were always cynical about the FED,spend 25 years in ZAU and C90 and then tell me about it.FSM isnt even close to the center of the ATC world, there happy cause they dont have to work a lot of traffic and make good money for the area, try being an OTS at C90 or ZAU.oh and there is nothing exciting about atc, if it is than your doing something wrong.

You are really here to try and get a rise out of people, aren't you?

I never said that I was going to be a big shot like you. Nor did I say I was going to retire and brag about it, all while flaming some internet forum about how awful the FAA really is. This forum obviously isn't the place for you. I think the local retirement center or Wal-Mart cafe would suit you just fine.

I like the FSM area, and perhaps one day I will move on to a busier facility. I'm glad that I was chosen for FSM because it's a nice facility, the people are great, and it seems like a good area to get a feel for my future career.

Again, I'm sorry you feel the need to get on an internet forum and berate potential employees of the FAA with sarcastic remarks and a sorry attitude toward the agency that gave you gainful employment for 29+ years.

[jeffm1999]

[tacotico]

Originally Posted by swinte00

You are really here to try and get a rise out of people, aren't you?

I never said that I was going to be a big shot like you. Nor did I say I was going to retire and brag about it, all while flaming some internet forum about how awful the FAA really is. This forum obviously isn't the place for you. I think the local retirement center or Wal-Mart cafe would suit you just fine.

I like the FSM area, and perhaps one day I will move on to a busier facility. I'm glad that I was chosen for FSM because it's a nice facility, the people are great, and it seems like a good area to get a feel for my future career.

Again, I'm sorry you feel the need to get on an internet forum and berate potential employees of the FAA with sarcastic remarks and a sorry attitude toward the agency that gave you gainful employment for 29+ years.

I think maybe grammar school is the place for him.