CFI pay $1500/ month???!

ftyflyboy · October 13th, 2009, 17:53

I know the job market is bad but come on! This is a disgrace! OH, wait performance bonuses....

ADIZFlyboy · October 13th, 2009, 18:01

i would hope that they upped the performance bonuses. I know with 2K a month it was basically "icing" on the cake. I guess they are upping the performance bonuses to up the pass rates or hoping that people will cycle through as CFI's quicker?

n6149s · October 13th, 2009, 18:45

http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...6-2-tiers.html

And dont forget to take taxes out. This will come out to about $1170 a month, a bit less because you get paid once every 28 days.

at1024 · October 13th, 2009, 21:37

What are the performance bonuses?

greaper007 · October 13th, 2009, 21:41

At least you're prepared for regional FO pay...bah ha ha

LoadMasterC141 · October 13th, 2009, 21:45

In my best month, I made over $1000 in bonuses. I think most average around $500 though.

Joe Gremlin · October 13th, 2009, 22:30

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Originally Posted by ftyflyboy

I know the job market is bad but come on! This is a disgrace!

Your shock and surprise are completely understandable since no one in aviation ever talks about how you can't make a living as a CFI.

Clocks · October 13th, 2009, 22:52

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Originally Posted by ftyflyboy

I know the job market is bad but come on! This is a disgrace! OH, wait performance bonuses....

This is a raise over what they were paying in 2007. But I still did it, wasn't that bad since you don't have all that many expenses. There's another thread telling CFIs not to work for under $50/hour somewhere, that might be the right thread for you

And the joke about regional pay, is right on. Xjet first year FO take home pay is about $1345/m after taxes.

DenverPilot8 · October 14th, 2009, 01:31

Some regional first officers make less.......Great Lakes Airlines comes to mind.

SpiraMirabilis · October 14th, 2009, 02:22

Yeah, but they have health insurance.

v1valarob · October 14th, 2009, 09:38

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Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

Yeah, but they have health insurance.

After taxes I was pulling in $640 every 2 weeks at Colgan on first year pay. I couldnt afford health insurance.

Mainly because I was too busy paying off my ATP debt.

meyers9163 · October 14th, 2009, 11:10

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Originally Posted by v1valarob

After taxes I was pulling in $640 every 2 weeks at Colgan on first year pay. I couldnt afford health insurance.

Mainly because I was too busy paying off my ATP debt.

You are on reserve or a line holder?

v1valarob · October 14th, 2009, 11:34

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Originally Posted by meyers9163

You are on reserve or a line holder?

Reserve.

n6149s · October 14th, 2009, 18:37

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Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

In my best month, I made over $1000 in bonuses. I think most average around $500 though.

How many days did/ do you work a week? How many guar. days off per month do you get? What are your benefits? how much of your $1000 was actually taken out in taxes?

Be honest..

ADIZFlyboy · October 14th, 2009, 22:35

the instructors definitely deserve as much as possible for as many hours as they work. at the busier locations, they put in crazy hours and there isnt much in the way of days off. in some respect, they are on-call 24/7 in that students will always have questions and many often put in the extra hours out of the training center at the apartments to help students learn. however such is life i suppose when starting in aviation...

wjmiller3 · October 15th, 2009, 00:41

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Originally Posted by n6149s

How many days did/ do you work a week? How many guar. days off per month do you get? What are your benefits? how much of your $1000 was actually taken out in taxes?

Be honest..

Thats the second time you have mentioned taxes??? What taxes? None are taken out at ATP since you are contract labor.

n6149s · October 15th, 2009, 02:16

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Originally Posted by wjmiller3

Thats the second time you have mentioned taxes??? What taxes? None are taken out at ATP since you are contract labor.

That is my point. You dont get any benefits. The thread started as $1500 a month? As I had mentioned before and when loadmaster said that he made 1000 in a month in bonuses, you dont actually make 1000. Comparing the CFI job to an xjt job someone mentioned that the regional pilot gets health insurance. May be the regional pilot as bad as the QOL is has a chance to gain seniority.. ATP can advertise whatever it wants.. seniority get there first.. 13% of the way to your 1500 hours..

And if you think to yourself "what taxes?", you may have a rude awakening come tax season.

SIUav8er · October 15th, 2009, 05:06

Dang, they reduced the pay? performance bonuses are great if youre busy like they were 2 years ago, but now that its slowed down, i cant imagine very much many bonuses are being paid out...

I never paid taxes on my ATP income... the IRS didnt find out either. I live dangerously I guess. lol

n6149s · October 15th, 2009, 07:00

I never paid taxes on my ATP income... the IRS didnt find out either. I live dangerously I guess. lol[/QUOTE]

That may not work out in your favor when you are filling out an sf 85 or sf 86 form

Nihon_Ni · October 15th, 2009, 09:06

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Originally Posted by SIUav8er

I never paid taxes on my ATP income... the IRS didnt find out either. I live dangerously I guess. lol

Tax evasion is a fellony...real laughing matter. Just ask Al Capone.

SpiraMirabilis · October 15th, 2009, 11:53

Maybe jtrain could make an appearance, although he isn't a lawyer yet he probably has learned enough to give the advice not to admit to a felony on a public bulletin board system. I'm not saying I don't sympathize but... yeah.

wjmiller3 · October 15th, 2009, 14:23

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Originally Posted by n6149s

As I had mentioned before and when loadmaster said that he made 1000 in a month in bonuses, you dont actually make 1000. .

That didn't even make sense....

LoadMasterC141 · October 15th, 2009, 14:28

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Originally Posted by n6149s

How many days did/ do you work a week? How many guar. days off per month do you get? What are your benefits? how much of your $1000 was actually taken out in taxes?

Be honest..

I worked everyday. No guaranteed days off and no benefits. For me it went in spurts. I would work my tail off for a few weeks, and then some days off. Worked quite well. Like anyone else, standard tax rates applied for me. I am a little savvy so I actually paid quite a bit less in taxes last year than most. And yes, every writeoff is receipted and accounted for

My bring home pay the month I made over a 1000 was $2852 before taxes.

I certainly was not trying to compare my compensation to regional pay. I was just stating what I made, on the high end, in bonuses. However, I was completely happy to get this type of dough AND get to instruct in brand new Seminoles. I came into this indsutry with the understanding that CFI AND beginning regional pay sucks. OMFG! I am one of those guys willing to do it I guess seeing as I accepted those terms and came into the industry. Will I do what I can to help raise pay? You betcha.

mojo6911 · October 15th, 2009, 14:33

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Originally Posted by SIUav8er

Dang, they reduced the pay? performance bonuses are great if youre busy like they were 2 years ago, but now that its slowed down, i cant imagine very much many bonuses are being paid out...

I never paid taxes on my ATP income... the IRS didnt find out either. I live dangerously I guess. lol

ATP submitted how much they paid you, so the IRS knows.

LoadMasterC141 · October 15th, 2009, 14:36

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

ATP submitted how much they paid you, so the IRS knows.

Yup. If you did not submit taxes for this, it is only a matter of time before they get you.

October 13th, 2009, 17:53	#1
ftyflyboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 307	CFI pay $1500/ month???! I know the job market is bad but come on! This is a disgrace! OH, wait performance bonuses.... __________________ I'm on a Plane...I can't complain - Kurt Cobain

October 13th, 2009, 18:01	#2
ADIZFlyboy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 30	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! i would hope that they upped the performance bonuses. I know with 2K a month it was basically "icing" on the cake. I guess they are upping the performance bonuses to up the pass rates or hoping that people will cycle through as CFI's quicker? __________________

October 13th, 2009, 18:45	#3
n6149s Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: East coast Posts: 105	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...6-2-tiers.html And dont forget to take taxes out. This will come out to about $1170 a month, a bit less because you get paid once every 28 days. __________________ Last edited by n6149s; October 13th, 2009 at 18:47. Reason: Additional Information

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at1024 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: KSAT, TX Posts: 319	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! What are the performance bonuses? __________________ CFI

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greaper007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Hartford, Ct Posts: 1,299	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! At least you're prepared for regional FO pay...bah ha ha __________________ <<<<<Hunter S. Thompson extends the Gonzo concept to flying.

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LoadMasterC141 Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: Live in Arlington, TX - From Ithaca, NY - Wish I was on an island in Fiji Posts: 2,404	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! In my best month, I made over $1000 in bonuses. I think most average around $500 though. __________________ AMEL, ASEL, IFR Gold Seal Instructor, CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI 1310TT 620ME (135 mins! I can haz job now?) Ex- USAF C141B Crewmember Ex- Cube Monkey Getting paid to fly! (little stuff)

October 14th, 2009, 01:31	#9
DenverPilot8 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Denver CO Posts: 214	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! Some regional first officers make less.......Great Lakes Airlines comes to mind.

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SpiraMirabilis Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! Yeah, but they have health insurance. __________________ Yet Another Freight Puppy*

October 14th, 2009, 22:35	#15
ADIZFlyboy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 30	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! the instructors definitely deserve as much as possible for as many hours as they work. at the busier locations, they put in crazy hours and there isnt much in the way of days off. in some respect, they are on-call 24/7 in that students will always have questions and many often put in the extra hours out of the training center at the apartments to help students learn. however such is life i suppose when starting in aviation... __________________

October 15th, 2009, 05:06	#18
SIUav8er Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: KSEE Posts: 1,405	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! Dang, they reduced the pay? performance bonuses are great if youre busy like they were 2 years ago, but now that its slowed down, i cant imagine very much many bonuses are being paid out... I never paid taxes on my ATP income... the IRS didnt find out either. I live dangerously I guess. lol __________________ PUBNAT 8: 7/10/09 AT-SAT: 10/15/09

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n6149s Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: East coast Posts: 105	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! I never paid taxes on my ATP income... the IRS didnt find out either. I live dangerously I guess. lol[/QUOTE] That may not work out in your favor when you are filling out an sf 85 or sf 86 form __________________

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SpiraMirabilis Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CFI pay $1500/ month???! Maybe jtrain could make an appearance, although he isn't a lawyer yet he probably has learned enough to give the advice not to admit to a felony on a public bulletin board system. I'm not saying I don't sympathize but... yeah. __________________ Yet Another Freight Puppy*

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