OK Game Time!!!!!

ATA_victim · April 11th, 2004, 17:47

Ok I settled with Key Bank and Im ready to get back into the ring (flying) I live in DC and the ATP in manassas is about a 30-45 min drive away. I am still open to all flight schools as of right now. Im thinking ATP in manassas so I could stay close to home and friends... My question to you guys is.. is ATP a good enough school to stay close to home for? or am I shortingmyself out of finer schools throughout the country???

Ding Ding round 1

Tram · April 11th, 2004, 17:58

It's good enough for me to drive 10+ hours to go to.

ATA_victim · April 11th, 2004, 18:03

10+ hours is a long way, but you wont be making it everyday, I would stay at home and commuting every morning

Tram · April 11th, 2004, 18:14

I got my PPL at an airport than was exactly an hour from my house..

An hour commute is minimal I would think.. However, it might get old sometimes.. Although, the ACPP fee's include a place to stay and whether or not you choose to stay there, you still pay for them.. If you think you might want to go to ATP, and still want to be near home, go to your Manassass and stay in the ATP Apartments or use them as a crash pad, and if you get time and want to come home, drive home.

THat's what I'd do.

ATA_victim · April 11th, 2004, 18:17

I wanna do the 10 month program..I dont think housing is included....good crash pad idea though.

Merlin · April 11th, 2004, 21:33

I live about 45 minutes from the Dallas ATP and am just wrapping up the program (CFI-single and CFII checkrides this week). I'd recommend the program to anyone....

1) Nationwide cross country is just a fantastic experience,
1a) Dispatch support
2) Can't beat the equipment,
3) ~90 days in and out,
4) Instructor opportunity to get all that multi time.

Happy to answer more specific questions
Jeremy

ATA_victim · April 11th, 2004, 22:16

Thanks Merlin, Yeah I think if I go fixed wing, i will go to ATP....everythings still up in the air. upon completion of ATP's program I would be a 300 hour commercial pilot with a 40 thousand dollar debt so i have to be smart with my choice. Im not to thrilled in instructing...Im not knocking cfi's its just I cant picture myself doing it. hmmm what to do..

IFLYRJS · April 11th, 2004, 23:34

Hey ATA if you don't mind me asking what was your settlement with Key? I really feel bad for you guy's and gal's that got taken by them and just wondering how you made out. And I'm glad you are still working toward your goals.

Timbuff10 · April 12th, 2004, 00:55

Merlin,

What percentage of students are applying for instrucing jobs at ATP and what percentage of those are getting hired?

I heard once that about half are applying and about half of those get hired? sound right to you?

Thanks

Stone Cold · April 12th, 2004, 05:01

Sorry to jump in here, but that anti-CFI attitude was what I had a while back. I'm in no way saying that instructing is for everybody, and we've all flown with the horrible instructors that didn't want to be there. I will say this though...don't NOT get the CFI because you think you might not like it (sorry about the double negative). Get it and if you don't use it, then fine, but don't shoot yourself in the foot. Trust me, this comes from experience, and I'll say that now that I've been instructing for a while, I've learned a tremendous amount from it and am glad I did it this way.

//end intrusion//

ATA_victim · April 12th, 2004, 11:22

IFLYRJS, I settled with Key Bank 4 days ago. I dont have to pay pack a dime of my 55 thousand dolllar loan.....they forgave the whole amount....its like winning the lottery......I LOVE KEY BANK

IFLYRJS · April 12th, 2004, 14:53

Wow that is fantastic! I can't even imagine the anger and sadness you guy's went through over that. It has been bugging me since it happened and I wasn't even involved. Well kudos to Key for doing that and I hope you enjoy the rest of your training.

Merlin · April 12th, 2004, 16:25

I have no idea what numbers of students apply for instructing jobs and how many get it. Half to apply sounds about right to me, but it is purely speculation.

If you want to work for ATP, what is important is that you work hard and treat your student time there as a 90-day interview.

Jeremy

Timbuff10 · April 12th, 2004, 17:45

Thanks,

I guess there is no one actually keeping stats on that. I just think getting that Job there would be a great way to build ME time. I am not sure if I would like going through ATP and then having to hunt down a FBO CFI position somewhere else. Kinda hard to keep up on that precious ME time like that.

aloft · April 14th, 2004, 05:03

[ QUOTE ]
I guess there is no one actually keeping stats on that.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's probably by design; I'm sure they're very aware it's a major sales point for their program.

April 11th, 2004, 17:47	#1
ATA_victim Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KDCA Posts: 173	OK Game Time!!!!! Ok I settled with Key Bank and Im ready to get back into the ring (flying) I live in DC and the ATP in manassas is about a 30-45 min drive away. I am still open to all flight schools as of right now. Im thinking ATP in manassas so I could stay close to home and friends... My question to you guys is.. is ATP a good enough school to stay close to home for? or am I shortingmyself out of finer schools throughout the country??? Ding Ding round 1

April 11th, 2004, 17:58	#2
Tram Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: KMSL Posts: 1,848	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! It's good enough for me to drive 10+ hours to go to.

April 11th, 2004, 18:03	#3
ATA_victim Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KDCA Posts: 173	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! 10+ hours is a long way, but you wont be making it everyday, I would stay at home and commuting every morning

April 11th, 2004, 18:14	#4
Tram Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: KMSL Posts: 1,848	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! I got my PPL at an airport than was exactly an hour from my house.. An hour commute is minimal I would think.. However, it might get old sometimes.. Although, the ACPP fee's include a place to stay and whether or not you choose to stay there, you still pay for them.. If you think you might want to go to ATP, and still want to be near home, go to your Manassass and stay in the ATP Apartments or use them as a crash pad, and if you get time and want to come home, drive home. THat's what I'd do.

April 11th, 2004, 18:17	#5
ATA_victim Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KDCA Posts: 173	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! I wanna do the 10 month program..I dont think housing is included....good crash pad idea though.

April 11th, 2004, 21:33	#6
Merlin Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 142	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! I live about 45 minutes from the Dallas ATP and am just wrapping up the program (CFI-single and CFII checkrides this week). I'd recommend the program to anyone.... 1) Nationwide cross country is just a fantastic experience, 1a) Dispatch support 2) Can't beat the equipment, 3) ~90 days in and out, 4) Instructor opportunity to get all that multi time. Happy to answer more specific questions Jeremy

April 11th, 2004, 22:16	#7
ATA_victim Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KDCA Posts: 173	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! Thanks Merlin, Yeah I think if I go fixed wing, i will go to ATP....everythings still up in the air. upon completion of ATP's program I would be a 300 hour commercial pilot with a 40 thousand dollar debt so i have to be smart with my choice. Im not to thrilled in instructing...Im not knocking cfi's its just I cant picture myself doing it. hmmm what to do..

April 11th, 2004, 23:34	#8
IFLYRJS Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Posts: 72	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! Hey ATA if you don't mind me asking what was your settlement with Key? I really feel bad for you guy's and gal's that got taken by them and just wondering how you made out. And I'm glad you are still working toward your goals.

April 12th, 2004, 00:55	#9
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,235	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! Merlin, What percentage of students are applying for instrucing jobs at ATP and what percentage of those are getting hired? I heard once that about half are applying and about half of those get hired? sound right to you? Thanks

April 12th, 2004, 05:01	#10
Stone Cold Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US & Kiev Posts: 3,084	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! Sorry to jump in here, but that anti-CFI attitude was what I had a while back. I'm in no way saying that instructing is for everybody, and we've all flown with the horrible instructors that didn't want to be there. I will say this though...don't NOT get the CFI because you think you might not like it (sorry about the double negative). Get it and if you don't use it, then fine, but don't shoot yourself in the foot. Trust me, this comes from experience, and I'll say that now that I've been instructing for a while, I've learned a tremendous amount from it and am glad I did it this way. //end intrusion//

April 12th, 2004, 11:22	#11
ATA_victim Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KDCA Posts: 173	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! IFLYRJS, I settled with Key Bank 4 days ago. I dont have to pay pack a dime of my 55 thousand dolllar loan.....they forgave the whole amount....its like winning the lottery......I LOVE KEY BANK

April 12th, 2004, 14:53	#12
IFLYRJS Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Posts: 72	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! Wow that is fantastic! I can't even imagine the anger and sadness you guy's went through over that. It has been bugging me since it happened and I wasn't even involved. Well kudos to Key for doing that and I hope you enjoy the rest of your training.

April 12th, 2004, 16:25	#13
Merlin Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 142	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! I have no idea what numbers of students apply for instructing jobs and how many get it. Half to apply sounds about right to me, but it is purely speculation. If you want to work for ATP, what is important is that you work hard and treat your student time there as a 90-day interview. Jeremy

April 12th, 2004, 17:45	#14
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,235	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! Thanks, I guess there is no one actually keeping stats on that. I just think getting that Job there would be a great way to build ME time. I am not sure if I would like going through ATP and then having to hunt down a FBO CFI position somewhere else. Kinda hard to keep up on that precious ME time like that.

April 14th, 2004, 05:03	#15
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 7,181	Re: OK Game Time!!!!! [ QUOTE ] I guess there is no one actually keeping stats on that. [/ QUOTE ] That's probably by design; I'm sure they're very aware it's a major sales point for their program.

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