Question About ATP Program

dejayou · April 12th, 2009, 16:40

Hello everyone, this is my first post here. I am currently three semesters (expect to graduate Dec. 2010) away from getting my B.S. I have always wanted to be a pilot, and in high school I was lucky enough to get about 20 hours paid for me. I have always longed to get back into the air, and I think, after I graduate, I will go for my dream. I have begun looking into flight school options, and ATP's total immersion programs seem to be a good fit for how I learn. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the ACPP with Gulfstream First Officer Internship program. To me, it seems like a good opportunity to get a lot of experience, but I am rather new to all of the qualifications and what not. Any information and/or opinions would be appreciated!
Thanks

wjmiller3 · April 12th, 2009, 16:54

Welcome to JC! You will get responses from both sides of the fence here regarding this subject (and most others too). Since this topic has been discussed many times, my suggestion is the search function and read the past threads. If they don't answer your questions, then post specific questions and you will get some answers. I went there, worked there, and have moved on since, so you can PM me also if you want.

Clocks · April 12th, 2009, 17:24

Read this thread

http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...nship-atp.html

No one is going to post anything that isn't among those posts.

dejayou · April 12th, 2009, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clocks

Read this thread

http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...nship-atp.html

No one is going to post anything that isn't among those posts.

Jeez, sorry, I don't know how I missed that one. Sorry for the duplicate post!

N826AW · April 12th, 2009, 18:57

It's all good. JC has been around for a while and the mods do a good job of not deleting even the most heated threads. So there's a lot of information to digest.

Having completed my private and the ACPP program at ATP I can say I sort of recommend it. If you can find a great instructor and good equipment at a lower price somewhere else, I recommend exploring that option.

I like to think I have a keen ability to take a step back from a situtation and analyze alternatives. Aside from the bringing down the industry argument, I think forking out $25k (possibly $25k + interest) to go to Gulfstream "academy" and perform a function that other guys are out there getting paid (even menial wages) seems kinda dumb. YMMV (your mileage may vary)

Welcome to JC. It's a great place. Do yourself a favor and stick around!

juxtapilot · April 12th, 2009, 23:02

I'd recommend you'd take your time and explore your options. Maybe take a look at http://www.falconaviationacademy.com/pilot/pilot.asp falcon aviation too.. seems like a similar program to ATP's.

mwflyer · April 13th, 2009, 02:02

Falcon has a program with Gulfstream too? How come there hasn't been a big stink raised about that?

dejayou · April 13th, 2009, 04:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by N826AW

It's all good. JC has been around for a while and the mods do a good job of not deleting even the most heated threads. So there's a lot of information to digest.

Having completed my private and the ACPP program at ATP I can say I sort of recommend it. If you can find a great instructor and good equipment at a lower price somewhere else, I recommend exploring that option.

I like to think I have a keen ability to take a step back from a situtation and analyze alternatives. Aside from the bringing down the industry argument, I think forking out $25k (possibly $25k + interest) to go to Gulfstream "academy" and perform a function that other guys are out there getting paid (even menial wages) seems kinda dumb. YMMV (your mileage may vary)

Welcome to JC. It's a great place. Do yourself a favor and stick around!

Hey, thanks! That's good to hear about ATP. After, getting a better picture of the issues behind a PFJ, I have gotten a better understanding of why there is a lot of discontent with the internship program, and I think that you make a great point. Thanks for your opinion.

dejayou · April 13th, 2009, 04:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by juxtapilot

I'd recommend you'd take your time and explore your options. Maybe take a look at http://www.falconaviationacademy.com/pilot/pilot.asp falcon aviation too.. seems like a similar program to ATP's.

Yes, I have only just begun to research this more, and I do have quite a bit of time before I really need to make a decision. Thank you for the suggestion.

juxtapilot · April 13th, 2009, 04:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejayou

Yes, I have only just begun to research this more, and I do have quite a bit of time before I really need to make a decision. Thank you for the suggestion.

Sounds like you're off to a good start. Stick around JC; you'll learn lots.

LoadMasterC141 · April 13th, 2009, 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwflyer

Falcon has a program with Gulfstream too? How come there hasn't been a big stink raised about that?

Surreal? Are you now denouncing your former training school?

Clocks · April 13th, 2009, 08:15

http://www.falconaviationacademy.com...gulfstream.asp

/sadpilot

milehighpilot08 · May 29th, 2009, 11:04

I would not advise ATP as your choice. I am a ATP graduate and I did get through the program alright but I saw a lot of people kicked out of the program after spending their money on training. The corporate side treats their staff and students like crap. They are being sued by an instructor even for being forced to fly broken airplanes. Not to mention they dont give you all the multi time they say they will. Most of the instructors are good but they still have to take orders from corporate. Good luck

meyers9163 · May 29th, 2009, 11:27

I would also recommend that you look into some other options out there. Right now there is really no ADVANTAGE of getting your ratings done in 90 days. As already pointed out we have a lot of sponors on the page.

Take a look at them. Skymates, Ariben, Star Bright, White Aviation etc. In addition depending on your location I can also recommend an FBO I know of with top notch equipment that could do a program competitive with ATP in the total time and multi but with nearly new equipment based in Indianapolis (Indyaero). I'm sure there are others you can find as well.

May I ask as to how you are going to finance this new desire to become a pilot? In addition I had three months left when I thought about the switch. I finished all my ratings through and up to CFI before I graduated. Check out a local FBO. You might be able to start TOMORROW. Just a thought.

Captain_Bob · May 29th, 2009, 17:15

Hi milehighpilot08,

Welcome to Jetcareers!

Don't forget that there's a few hundred more posts in the ATP forums that you can post your experience in.

Bob

meyers9163 · May 29th, 2009, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Hi milehighpilot08,

Welcome to Jetcareers!

Don't forget that there's a few hundred more posts in the ATP forums that you can post your experience in.

Bob

Bob I'm going to start expecting SPAM in my inbox soon too

April 12th, 2009, 16:40	#1
dejayou Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Annapolis Posts: 4	Question About ATP Program Hello everyone, this is my first post here. I am currently three semesters (expect to graduate Dec. 2010) away from getting my B.S. I have always wanted to be a pilot, and in high school I was lucky enough to get about 20 hours paid for me. I have always longed to get back into the air, and I think, after I graduate, I will go for my dream. I have begun looking into flight school options, and ATP's total immersion programs seem to be a good fit for how I learn. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the ACPP with Gulfstream First Officer Internship program. To me, it seems like a good opportunity to get a lot of experience, but I am rather new to all of the qualifications and what not. Any information and/or opinions would be appreciated! Thanks

April 12th, 2009, 16:54	#2
wjmiller3 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 977	Re: Question About ATP Program Welcome to JC! You will get responses from both sides of the fence here regarding this subject (and most others too). Since this topic has been discussed many times, my suggestion is the search function and read the past threads. If they don't answer your questions, then post specific questions and you will get some answers. I went there, worked there, and have moved on since, so you can PM me also if you want.

April 12th, 2009, 17:24	#3
Clocks Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hired 11/07. Furloughed 10/08 Posts: 2,610	Re: Question About ATP Program Read this thread http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...nship-atp.html No one is going to post anything that isn't among those posts. __________________ All of my posts are edited by my staff.

April 12th, 2009, 18:57	#5
N826AW Old Skool Join Date: May 2007 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 3,653 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Question About ATP Program It's all good. JC has been around for a while and the mods do a good job of not deleting even the most heated threads. So there's a lot of information to digest. Having completed my private and the ACPP program at ATP I can say I sort of recommend it. If you can find a great instructor and good equipment at a lower price somewhere else, I recommend exploring that option. I like to think I have a keen ability to take a step back from a situtation and analyze alternatives. Aside from the bringing down the industry argument, I think forking out $25k (possibly $25k + interest) to go to Gulfstream "academy" and perform a function that other guys are out there getting paid (even menial wages) seems kinda dumb. YMMV (your mileage may vary) Welcome to JC. It's a great place. Do yourself a favor and stick around! __________________ Progress cannot be stopped. Progress is beautiful.

April 12th, 2009, 23:02	#6
juxtapilot Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,148	Re: Question About ATP Program I'd recommend you'd take your time and explore your options. Maybe take a look at http://www.falconaviationacademy.com/pilot/pilot.asp falcon aviation too.. seems like a similar program to ATP's.

April 13th, 2009, 02:02	#7
mwflyer Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: midwest Posts: 212	Re: Question About ATP Program Falcon has a program with Gulfstream too? How come there hasn't been a big stink raised about that?

April 13th, 2009, 08:15	#12
Clocks Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hired 11/07. Furloughed 10/08 Posts: 2,610	Re: Question About ATP Program http://www.falconaviationacademy.com...gulfstream.asp /sadpilot __________________ All of my posts are edited by my staff.

May 29th, 2009, 11:04	#13
milehighpilot08 Newbie Join Date: May 2009 Location: melbourne Posts: 5	Re: Question About ATP Program I would not advise ATP as your choice. I am a ATP graduate and I did get through the program alright but I saw a lot of people kicked out of the program after spending their money on training. The corporate side treats their staff and students like crap. They are being sued by an instructor even for being forced to fly broken airplanes. Not to mention they dont give you all the multi time they say they will. Most of the instructors are good but they still have to take orders from corporate. Good luck

May 29th, 2009, 11:27	#14
meyers9163 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3,109	Re: Question About ATP Program I would also recommend that you look into some other options out there. Right now there is really no ADVANTAGE of getting your ratings done in 90 days. As already pointed out we have a lot of sponors on the page. Take a look at them. Skymates, Ariben, Star Bright, White Aviation etc. In addition depending on your location I can also recommend an FBO I know of with top notch equipment that could do a program competitive with ATP in the total time and multi but with nearly new equipment based in Indianapolis (Indyaero). I'm sure there are others you can find as well. May I ask as to how you are going to finance this new desire to become a pilot? In addition I had three months left when I thought about the switch. I finished all my ratings through and up to CFI before I graduated. Check out a local FBO. You might be able to start TOMORROW. Just a thought.

May 29th, 2009, 17:15	#15
Captain_Bob Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based back in EWR, wishing I was in Maine Posts: 4,242	Re: Question About ATP Program Hi milehighpilot08, Welcome to Jetcareers! Don't forget that there's a few hundred more posts in the ATP forums that you can post your experience in. Bob __________________ My head is in the clouds and my heart is still in Maine... but my devotion and love belong to my wife and children. New Pics as of 4/09!

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