Decided not to go to ATP

[tonynsx]

I decided not to attend ATP after reading all the posts about paying 60000 dollars back to salie mae for example. I'm a private pilot now. I think I will go to ATP if it was a part 141 flight schoo, but it's not. I'm going to attend a local part 141 flight school based at MTN. I was in the Army for 6 years, so the VA should pay me back 60% of the money I paid for my ratings. It's very tempting to go to ATP, and fly for an regional airline in less than a year (maybe).

Which brings another question. How can I get the VA to pay for the 60% for flight training?

[Clocks]

/looks at Embry Riddle forums for "I decided not to go to ERAU" threads
/looks at CPS forums for "I decided not to go to CPS" threads
/looks at FSA forums for "I decided not to go to FSA" threads
/looks at FAA forums for "I decided not to go to FAA" threads

Yet why do people post these threads on the ATP forums?

Anyways...call the VA or ask in the general forums for your other question.

[kfour]

Originally Posted by Clocks

Yet why do people post these threads on the ATP forums?

[v1valarob]

Originally Posted by tonynsx

Which brings another question. How can I get the VA to pay for the 60% for flight training?

Attend a part 141 program and they will pay for it.

-Rob

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by v1valarob

Attend a part 141 program and they will pay for it.

-Rob

Yep... outside of the red-tape and tons of paperwork involved... it's really that easy.

Bob

[aerospacepilot]

Originally Posted by tonynsx

It's very tempting to ... fly for an regional airline in less than a year (maybe).

Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.



ATP's training just cost more. I think given your situation (being a veteran and probably not having $55,000 to dish out (or much more if you have to finance it)), your best bet is to find a reasonably priced local part 141 school in your area.
Good luck.

[alloyicon]

Originally Posted by aerospacepilot

Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.
Flight training at an FBO can be as fast or faster than ATP.



ATP's training just cost more. I think given your situation (being a veteran and probably not having $55,000 to dish out (or much more if you have to finance it)), your best bet is to find a reasonably priced local part 141 school in your area.
Good luck.

You maybe able to get all your ratings for less coin at an FBO, but I don't know where you can get it done faster. I was available 24/7 for my PSEL and it took over 4 months at a local FBO. Flight Instructors are scarce these days as many of them are getting snapped up by the regionals right and left.
My instructor (an ATP graduate) took a job with Mesaba and orphaned me. (I don't blame him)
So I scheduled a flight with another instructor who called a few hours before our scheduled flight to ask me if she could cancel the flight as she wanted to prep for an Express Jet interview. I let her off the hook and wished her good luck with the interview. So she gets hired and I am orphaned once again. (I don't blame her)
So I schedule with one of the other instructors (another ATP graduate) but I can only book him 3 to 4 times a week at most as he is crazy busy juggling several other students.
Anyways...I'm all for saving $$$$, but I'd have to say that any FBO that can get you done in the same amount of time as ATP are very few and far between these days.

[Ducky]

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[DE727UPS]

Sorry Tony, you're not supposed to say anything remotely negative about ATP in this forum. People here won't stand for it....

If you're a VA guy, ATP won't work. Find a local 141 school and ask them about VA.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

Sorry Tony, you're not supposed to say anything remotely negative about ATP in this forum. People here won't stand for it....

http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...tml#post818483

Bob

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

Sorry Tony, you're not supposed to say anything remotely negative about ATP in this forum. People here won't stand for it....

Nice. I appreciate the support as usual, Don.

[Gumps]

You guys are friggin' hysterical. It's almost like you follow a formula.

1. Take an innocent post out of context.

2. Some joker makes an open ended statement about ATP being a rip off.

3. Argument ensues about FBO vs. ATP.

4. UPS Yoda swoops in like a sea gull, craps, then leaves.

Tonynsx, its sounds like you've done your research and we all hope the best for you. If you have any other questions about flying stuff in general, we'll all look forward to rapping with you on the other forums. Good luck amigo!

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Nice. I appreciate the support as usual, Don.

IMO..... he is half right...... Just a matter of looking over forums and seeing the reactions... however perhaps there's a better way of wording it then being so blunt. However why beat around a bush.... i dunno...... just my 2 cents i guess....

[JesseA626]

Im also a VA veteran, however like ATP advertises "Senority is Everything". I know I can do it the easy and CHEAP way, however I rather pay the money get there faster and hopefully get a job quickly so that I can start getting paid. If you think about it sure you'll spend less, but in 2 years when your finally done, i'll have 2 years senority over you. Just my opinion though. Don't everyone jump on me.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by JesseA626

Im also a VA veteran, however like ATP advertises "Senority is Everything". I know I can do it the easy and CHEAP way, however I rather pay the money get there faster and hopefully get a job quickly so that I can start getting paid. If you think about it sure you'll spend less, but in 2 years when your finally done, i'll have 2 years senority over you. Just my opinion though. Don't everyone jump on me.

You said it right at the end...... Re think that attitude before jumping into this industry.... Doing it faster to get a job isnt the right attitude to come into this industry with. Doing it right perhaps with getting an education at a 4 year university is perhaps the attitude those of you who are younger need to take.

[DE727UPS]

"Nice. I appreciate the support as usual, Don."

Your welcome. Let me know if you need anything else...

"UPS Yoda swoops in like a sea gull, craps, then leaves."

I never really leave. I'm always here.

"Doing it faster to get a job isnt the right attitude to come into this industry with"

Couldn't agree more.

[JesseA626]

Alright well it seems that I either wrote the wrong thing, or people misinterpreted what I said. It was probably me though. I didn't mean I wanted to jump into flying without knowing anything. I do want to learn as mush as possible. And I'm not saying that a degree isn't worth anything. It is. However, for someone in my position thats married, with a kid, a mortgage, and bills, I can't afford to take a long time in "jumping in to the industry". I need to get all my stuff done now so that I can repay the student loans ASAP and start building senority so I can get into the left seat. Maybe my way isn't the best way, but its the way I feel I need to go. I'm sorry if I offended anyone or if anyone took it the wrong way.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by v1valarob

Attend a part 141 program and they will pay for it.

-Rob

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Yep... outside of the red-tape and tons of paperwork involved... it's really that easy.

Bob

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

Sorry Tony, you're not supposed to say anything remotely negative about ATP in this forum. People here won't stand for it....

If you're a VA guy, ATP won't work. Find a local 141 school and ask them about VA.

caution about the VA approval

To both the guys here talking about VA training, and needing to find it. . .

Make sure the school you decide to attend, is VA Approved for the programs you will be taking. Such as, Instrument Airplane, Commercial Single Engine Land, Multi-Engine Land, Certificate Flight Instructor, Multi-Engine Instructor, and Certificate Flight Instructor-Instrument.

If you need help finding one, let me know. But do not fall into the trap of thinking ALL 141 schools are VA approved, THAT IS NOT THE CASE

Just trying to help another brother out.

Also take note: The VA has NOT approved ANY RJ or jet transition course from ANY school - nationwide, that is, they haven't approved it for "single" or stand-alone training. If the training is included in some sort of overall package that the VA has approved, you better read the VERY fine print and make sure you will be getting reimbursed for it.

Dealing with the VA can be a headache, so choose a school who has a good track history of getting things done for their students.