Current CFI's comments on Jims mgt

[meyers9163]

Just wondering if we have any current CFI's who can confirm some information. I was talking with some buddies down in FL who are instructing and they called me today asking for information on my airline and saying they want to get out now before Jim becomes more of a dictator. Anyways some of the major complaints is that you are basically no longer a private contractor and Jim is forcing CFI's to work a constant 8am-5pm schedule? Even if you have no flying going on, wx is poor, mx issues with planes you are there period? In addition instead of making 2k a month period he has decided in his great wisdom to only pay CFI's 50 a day and if you are gone for sick leave, interviews, jet courses you are no longer getting your monthly 2k and are only paid 50 a day? Personally these two moves to myself are huge and if I were there I'd be walking out the door. I personally can remember days when we had nothing to do and no planes to fly and being told you are working until 5 period even though you are a private contractor and have nothing to do is crazy. I've heard more and am wondering if others can comment who are currently working. As I commented in a prior post I really question the two VP's ability to manage and if there is any truth to some new issues these are my exact reasons as to why. Expecting this out of a private contractor is crazy and I for one would not accept this. If anyone on here is close to the two I am talking to (there are a few who might be on here) perhaps a word should be said to help improve conditions of the instructors there.....

[SIUav8er]

interesting. so let me get this straight, they discontinued the $2000 a month salary for contracted CFI's?

Its now $50 per day of work? No pay if you dont work 8am to 5pm?

Jim K. is being called a "dictator"?

This sounds like BS from someone who is pissed about something else. Ill call my budies still working there to see if this stuff is true...
btw, I have a lot of respect for Jim K. hes a great guy, anyone that says otherwise doesnt really know him or understand what his job entails

[SIUav8er]

* Airline Career Pilot Program Graduates:
o $2,000 per Month Guarantee
* Other CFIs:
o $1,200 per Month Guarantee
o FREE Regional Jet Standards Certification Program ($5,995 Value)
* All Instructors:
o Approximately $400 per Month in Performance Bonuses
o $500 Starting Bonus
o FREE Housing in Jacksonville for Standardization
o Housing Available at Training Centers for $300 per Month (Furnished, No Lease)

This is what ATP is still advertising on the website. maybe this guy you heard this from is a non-ACPP and isnt getting the same pay as the ACPP grads get. Just a guess...

[kfour]

I'd just like to post real quick on the fact that there is a lot of mis-information coming from the OP. This is totally a he-said she-said telephone game thing going on here.

[meyers9163]

Kfor thanks for the PM... Got you word however I have a few friends still in FL at all the locations and that's what they had told me... If you are in FL you would maybe work on their staffs.... Anyways.... As I put in your PM back just wanted to hear both sides... I have personal friends there telling me this and if it were and is true it honestly ticks me off.... I personally could care less for the two VPs however I the owner I have mad props for.... As I've stated on many times....

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

This is what ATP is still advertising on the website. maybe this guy you heard this from is a non-ACPP and isnt getting the same pay as the ACPP grads get. Just a guess...

Nope both were ACP graduates and my former students..... Both just got done taking the Jet course and are looking to get out.... A couple others are also ACP grads and working at other locations... I actually know one person in each location but the SUA location.....All of which confirmed this.... but all of which are friends and have ties and I'm sure have their ranting phone calls to each other...

One last thing what's up with forcing all CFI's to get text msg and having to text their flight trackers? So if you dont have a phone you cant work for ATP anymore?

[kfour]

I have a feeling im coming across as angry or something. Must be that internet forum phenomenon when you cant read body language/tone of voice. I just dont want people to jump on this thread and go "Dude, you gotta work 8-5 no matter what? Thats BS! Screw ATP!"

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by kfour

I have a feeling im coming across as angry or something. Must be that internet forum phenomenon when you cant read body language/tone of voice. I just dont want people to jump on this thread and go "Dude, you gotta work 8-5 no matter what? Thats BS! Screw ATP!"

Roger that... so the 8-5 thing via a current CFI is false... Great..... Thank you..

[tobaknight]

Just verifying... They dont have to be in from 8am-5pm if they're not flying?

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by tobaknight

Just verifying... They dont have to be in from 8am-5pm if they're not flying?

Apparently not..... dunno waiting for more input

[BobDDuck]

They got rid of the RIM flight trackers and you have to call/text in your times on your own phone? That's nice. I hated those things, but at least the company provided them.

[SIUav8er]

Just talked to my buddy who still instructs at ATP...

All of these rumors a FALSE, except the tex message flight trackers. There is NO 8-5 work day, NO $50 a day pay.

I love the rumors you guys come up with. hilarious!

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

Just talked to my buddy who still instructs at ATP...

All of these rumors a FALSE, except the tex message flight trackers. There is NO 8-5 work day, NO $50 a day pay.

I love the rumors you guys come up with. hilarious!

Arent you awesome Siuav8er? Great man... you are funny yourself.... Weird how you talk to your buddy and mine say the same thing. Its not 8-5 but there is a set schedule now... Talk to your buddies up in Jax and ask them.... You have a set one and up in Jax its set up by Jim... Again if you are a private contractor I find it interesting someone is setting up your schedule.... just my thought though... but that's probably hilarious as well

Oh the the 50 dock was due to them taking the jet course.... Still questionable personally..... You say you will pay salary and if you are doing a jet course and paying for it if you say salary you should indeed make 2k still... not get docked 7 days pay but then again that'd be raising the bar wouldnt it Siuv8er and we all would be against that?

[Ducky]

umm petition?

[checksix]

Paul,
No disrespect meant, but it is obvious to everyone who is currently working at ATP that you are bitter about something and have an axe to grind. Get over it and move on. Everything you said was false except the txting of flight trackers. Everyone is getting more time off and there is very little delays due to no airplanes. Sure, some people dont like it, but this is a business, not a country club. I fly, I ground school, I go home. I am flying just as much, but I am off twice as much.

Do you think it is that responsible to put unsubstantiated rumors on a forum where new pilots go for information about a potential career choice? If you had half of the "mad props" for the president of ATP that you claim you would at least get your facts straight.

Move on, dude. You wont pass your medical with your blood pressure that high.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by checksix

Paul,
No disrespect meant, but it is obvious to everyone who is currently working at ATP that you are bitter about something and have an axe to grind. Get over it and move on. Everything you said was false except the txting of flight trackers. Everyone is getting more time off and there is very little delays due to no airplanes. Sure, some people dont like it, but this is a business, not a country club. I fly, I ground school, I go home. I am flying just as much, but I am off twice as much.

Do you think it is that responsible to put unsubstantiated rumors on a forum where new pilots go for information about a potential career choice? If you had half of the "mad props" for the president of ATP that you claim you would at least get your facts straight.

Move on, dude. You wont pass your medical with your blood pressure that high.

You are entitled to your thoughts. I have no clue to whom you are and personally could care less. However when I post on Jetcareers I post questions and thoughts and go from there. You can take it however you want. I have spoken with many people on here about ATP. For instance if you want to speak with Bronx about it who is attending ATP. Again I have no clue who you are however when I post on here I post questions and therefore gave the opportunity for those whom are working at ATP to answer them. The questions are brought to inform those who are thinking about things. In addition I have a unique experience as well as having a good mix of FBO, academy and ATP's setting. I have been there and viewed many. I can speak from different perspectives. In addition if someone wants to do what I have done I can help someone get there at half the price (by the way did everything ATP does in a year ). Anyways consider it as you wish.... However my post are things to be discussed. As I had a great conversation with someone last night who is doing standz and spoke in length about issues.... He confirmed some items and dismissed some as well. Again I am no longer there and have many friends down at ATP.... I wish them nothing but the best of luck and wish for any future JC member who is considering ATP to be the most informed as they can. There are great things and bad things about each and every FBO and route you are going to choose. However I am thought by apparently you and some others to be contraversial as I am willing to take on and speak about. Again if you have any personal issues you wish to address I am more then willing to speak in a PM and via messengers.... However I would ask you to understand its a perspective and I am willing to give both the goods and the bads... Just as much as I am willing to speak in lenght about great things and bad things about my current employeer and any employeer I have had..... And or any school I have attended....

[Clocks]

I don't think anything meyers has posted shows he has an axe to grind. ATP has some issues, like other flight schools. And some issues (like mx) vary greatly from location to location. Discussing them isn't a bad thing.

[v1valarob]

Originally Posted by checksix

Paul,
No disrespect meant, but it is obvious to everyone who is currently working at ATP that you are bitter about something and have an axe to grind. Get over it and move on. Everything you said was false except the txting of flight trackers. Everyone is getting more time off and there is very little delays due to no airplanes. Sure, some people dont like it, but this is a business, not a country club. I fly, I ground school, I go home. I am flying just as much, but I am off twice as much.

Do you think it is that responsible to put unsubstantiated rumors on a forum where new pilots go for information about a potential career choice? If you had half of the "mad props" for the president of ATP that you claim you would at least get your facts straight.

Move on, dude. You wont pass your medical with your blood pressure that high.

He did post everything in question form. He also stated that he wanted to verify the rumors. I didnt take anything he wrote as "truthful," just a question about how things are going currently. Meyers is a very active member on these boards and is a person who probably wouldnt try to ruin his reputation by making false statements about a company he no longer works for. He has nothing to gain.

Those of us who have been through ATP know that if you are at a location within a Seminole flight of JAX, its a bit more business like and that you probably feel the wrath of Jim K or Phil much more than other locations to the west or north.

-Rob

[Gumps]

Hey, if I would have seen this thread I could have asked these questions my self when I went to my interview yesterday. Keep the thoughts coming.

I think a positive reinforcement exercise would do us all a bit of good and restore positive karma to the thread. I'll go first.
"V1VALAROB, I think your avatar is sexy." There, see you all just giggled a bit and will not take things so seriously now.

[v1valarob]

Originally Posted by Gumps

"V1VALAROB, I think your avatar is sexy."

She is pretty money.

-Rob

[DE727UPS]

"Do you think it is that responsible to put unsubstantiated rumors on a forum where new pilots go for information about a potential career choice?"

Seems like any critism of ATP causes some people to cringe and lash out. I've always thought that was kinda dumb and didn't well represent the truth.

I think new pilots looking for information about a potential career choice are interested in what everybody has to say, good and bad, about the training they are looking into.

[Berkut]

There's a big difference between criticism and unsubstantiated rumors.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by Berkut

There's a big difference between criticism and unsubstantiated rumors.

I've gotta agree with that one...

DE... If there was a "UPS" forum on JC... and someone came in and asked all sorts of "questions" that you knew were false... then wouldn't you, as a currently employed pilot at UPS, want to come on here and set the record straight?

Is that really considered lashing out... or simply setting the record straight?

You are right though... folks do need to hear the good bad and the ugly before making a life changing decision. But an informed answer to a negative response shouldn't be considered "lashing out" IMHO.

Bob

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I've gotta agree with that one...

DE... If there was a "UPS" forum on JC... and someone came in and asked all sorts of "questions" that you knew were false... then wouldn't you, as a currently employed pilot at UPS, want to come on here and set the record straight?

Is that really considered lashing out... or simply setting the record straight?

You are right though... folks do need to hear the good bad and the ugly before making a life changing decision. But an informed answer to a negative response shouldn't be considered "lashing out" IMHO.

Bob

Bob I have to disagree with you here for once... you are right a lot but here wrong. You find something of Del to point at and bash. Just makes me wonder about you man.... The one time he comes in and doesnt say anything bad and just makes a point and you find something to make it look as if he is a hater.... The fact is we all know you are STILL CLOSE with those guys up in Jax and that's fine.... We do not judge you for that. Therefore you also tend to give a little less of a bias oppinion about things. Now dont take that personally but can you deny that? You give great information however we know that when its about ATP you trained there and are still close and may have a skewed thought process about it. Again they were questions and if you are unable to see that shame on you.... You are thought of as an IDOL around here and therefore we should also treat those of whom have accomplished the ultimate (DEL) a little more respect around here. I have had my disagreements but here nothing was said and you find one point to make a deal out of..... Just saying it makes me questions things man...

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Berkut

There's a big difference between criticism and unsubstantiated rumors.

I didnt see either... Again those who know me have already commented back.... Take that as you wish.... It wasnt criticism nor rumors... Other wises I'd have made comments and not pose questions.... Again perhaps we need to go back to ENGLISH 101 and learn about a question posed versus a statement....