Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program

Maddog1974 · January 26th, 2008, 23:58

I am planning on attending the program at ATP's atlanta location. I was just wondering if anyone knows what the graduation or completion rates are for the Career Pilot Program. And if anyone knows...what are the placement rates for all pilot positions for those who complete the program. I know everyone has the option of working as a CFI and several regionals have lowered the minimums , but i wanted to know of there is anyone who finishes this program and has found themselves without a job.

Any input would be helpful.

It's p-nut butter jelly time...

v1valarob · January 27th, 2008, 00:30

http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...e-numbers.html

-Rob

Maddog1974 · January 27th, 2008, 10:05

Thanks Rob, I was hoping to get some numbers away from ATP. Not to bash ATP, they want to as positive a spin on everything to get you into school. Not a problem for me but i guess I will call ATP on Monday.

Captain_Bob · January 27th, 2008, 13:46

maddog,

Chances are no flight school out there will place any marketing funds into the statement: "XX% of students that learned to fly here were unsuccessful in getting hired at the airlines!".

I'm also willing to bet that you will not get a "straightforward" answer to your question no matter what flight school you called on Monday. That said... It would behoove you to visit the flight schools you are interested in and get a feel for whether or not those schools seem on the "up and up"... and if they feel like a good fit for you and your goals.

Also... with the understanding that "nothing in guaranteed in aviation", I've found that in the past... those that focused on the potential of NOT passing were less successful than those who went in to this business with an attitude of "No matter what someone else's story is... I will be succussful."

Just a short rant... apologies for chiming in... and welcome to JetCareers!

Bob

jetguy35 · January 27th, 2008, 14:23

I think pass/fail depends on the type of person who goes through the program. If you believe you can pass and actually work hard and study, why wouldn't you be able to pass and go far in aviation. Now, if you sit on your butt and never study and then go for a checkride.. well, you're probably screwed. I would think these methods could most likely be used in all walks of life.

Ben

SoCalAprch · January 28th, 2008, 15:19

I know one guy out of 8 that I was going through with that screwed up in CFI school and didn't make it all the way through. If you go into it knowing its gonna be tough and that the next 5 months or so are gonna be nothing but aviation and checkrides then you will do fine. The people that I have heard of dropping out were the "my daddy paid for me to do this and I don't need to study because everything has always been given to me types". There were some guys that weren't the sharpest tools in the shed and they made it through because they were dedicated.

Or you can goto Jet U or Gulfstream

Maddog1974 · January 29th, 2008, 13:35

Thanks for the info

Captain Bob --
I just wanted to say quickly that i appreciate your insight. I am not trying to focus on the potential of not passing. I just want to know how well ATP does their job of getting students passed. By the way, the fail/washout/dropout rate is 7%. 93% of all students finished the program they started.

I was also trying to judge the rate at which they place their grads into jobs. Unfortunately they only track the number of students hired by the regionals. I wanted to see what the placement rate was for all job positions, IE: regional, charter, corporate, flight school, etc.

I have a study partner who is getting his PPL, i already have mine, and then I will be going to ATP around the same time he starts the ACPP. I have no misconceptions about how much i will need to study though. In fact, I passed my Instrument written this past weekend.

Like i said, i just wanted to judge what the placement rate is for the school. I need to sell this to my co-borrower and they also want to know that I will be able to work after school. I am sure I will find something!

v1valarob · January 29th, 2008, 18:07

Im willing to guarantee that if you finish the program completely and finish as a CFII - MEII. You WILL have a job somewhere. Places are dieing for instructors right now, there are tons of opportunities. If you quit after commercial, well its all about luck then.

-Rob

Ducky · February 1st, 2008, 13:44

Have you guys check the allatp site lately? The main page last week said 380 students got hired then 382 and now back to 374? umm wt efffiy?

v1valarob · February 1st, 2008, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducky

Have you guys check the allatp site lately? The main page last week said 380 students got hired then 382 and now back to 374? umm wt efffiy?

It says in the last 12 months. January is now over, so they are counting from Feb to this February. So the numbers change.

But the whole "You have a better chance of getting hired if you go to ATP" deal is crap. You dont need ATP to get hired by an airline.

-Rob

Ducky · February 1st, 2008, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by v1valarob

But the whole "You have a better chance of getting hired if you go to ATP" deal is crap. You dont need ATP to get hired by an airline.

-Rob

marketing.

v1valarob · February 1st, 2008, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducky

marketing.

You just seemed concerned with it. Im just letting you know from a former ACPP student, that going to ATP has neither aided or hurt my chances of employment so far.

The 129 hour of multi-engine time that I left ATP with however will help in going to an airline.

-Rob

atpwannabe · February 3rd, 2008, 19:38

Hey guys/gals:

Quick question about the Seminole supplement. The 50 oral questions at the end; Are all 50 covered at the oral or only half or so?

atp

January 26th, 2008, 23:58	#1
Maddog1974 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Greenville Posts: 4	Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program I am planning on attending the program at ATP's atlanta location. I was just wondering if anyone knows what the graduation or completion rates are for the Career Pilot Program. And if anyone knows...what are the placement rates for all pilot positions for those who complete the program. I know everyone has the option of working as a CFI and several regionals have lowered the minimums , but i wanted to know of there is anyone who finishes this program and has found themselves without a job. Any input would be helpful. It's p-nut butter jelly time...

January 27th, 2008, 00:30	#2
v1valarob Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 1,197 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...e-numbers.html -Rob __________________ SF340 - SIC CFI/MEI http://robertstogsdill.flyblog.com

January 27th, 2008, 10:05	#3
Maddog1974 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Greenville Posts: 4	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program Thanks Rob, I was hoping to get some numbers away from ATP. Not to bash ATP, they want to as positive a spin on everything to get you into school. Not a problem for me but i guess I will call ATP on Monday.

January 27th, 2008, 13:46	#4
Captain_Bob Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based in ONT, wishing I was in Maine Posts: 3,898	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program maddog, Chances are no flight school out there will place any marketing funds into the statement: "XX% of students that learned to fly here were unsuccessful in getting hired at the airlines!". I'm also willing to bet that you will not get a "straightforward" answer to your question no matter what flight school you called on Monday. That said... It would behoove you to visit the flight schools you are interested in and get a feel for whether or not those schools seem on the "up and up"... and if they feel like a good fit for you and your goals. Also... with the understanding that "nothing in guaranteed in aviation", I've found that in the past... those that focused on the potential of NOT passing were less successful than those who went in to this business with an attitude of "No matter what someone else's story is... I will be succussful." Just a short rant... apologies for chiming in... and welcome to JetCareers! Bob __________________ My head is in the clouds and my heart is still in Maine... but my devotion and love belong to my wife and children. Pics!

January 27th, 2008, 14:23	#5
jetguy35 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: IL Posts: 54	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program I think pass/fail depends on the type of person who goes through the program. If you believe you can pass and actually work hard and study, why wouldn't you be able to pass and go far in aviation. Now, if you sit on your butt and never study and then go for a checkride.. well, you're probably screwed. I would think these methods could most likely be used in all walks of life. Ben

January 28th, 2008, 15:19	#6
SoCalAprch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CMH Posts: 805	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program I know one guy out of 8 that I was going through with that screwed up in CFI school and didn't make it all the way through. If you go into it knowing its gonna be tough and that the next 5 months or so are gonna be nothing but aviation and checkrides then you will do fine. The people that I have heard of dropping out were the "my daddy paid for me to do this and I don't need to study because everything has always been given to me types". There were some guys that weren't the sharpest tools in the shed and they made it through because they were dedicated. Or you can goto Jet U or Gulfstream __________________ I approve this message.

January 29th, 2008, 13:35	#7
Maddog1974 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Greenville Posts: 4	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program Thanks for the info Captain Bob -- I just wanted to say quickly that i appreciate your insight. I am not trying to focus on the potential of not passing. I just want to know how well ATP does their job of getting students passed. By the way, the fail/washout/dropout rate is 7%. 93% of all students finished the program they started. I was also trying to judge the rate at which they place their grads into jobs. Unfortunately they only track the number of students hired by the regionals. I wanted to see what the placement rate was for all job positions, IE: regional, charter, corporate, flight school, etc. I have a study partner who is getting his PPL, i already have mine, and then I will be going to ATP around the same time he starts the ACPP. I have no misconceptions about how much i will need to study though. In fact, I passed my Instrument written this past weekend. Like i said, i just wanted to judge what the placement rate is for the school. I need to sell this to my co-borrower and they also want to know that I will be able to work after school. I am sure I will find something! __________________ It's p-nut butter jelly time...

January 29th, 2008, 18:07	#8
v1valarob Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 1,197 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program Im willing to guarantee that if you finish the program completely and finish as a CFII - MEII. You WILL have a job somewhere. Places are dieing for instructors right now, there are tons of opportunities. If you quit after commercial, well its all about luck then. -Rob __________________ SF340 - SIC CFI/MEI http://robertstogsdill.flyblog.com

February 1st, 2008, 13:44	#9
Ducky Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: @ home and bored Posts: 211	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program Have you guys check the allatp site lately? The main page last week said 380 students got hired then 382 and now back to 374? umm wt efffiy? __________________

February 3rd, 2008, 19:38	#13
atpwannabe Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 207	Re: Graduation rates -- Airline Career Program Hey guys/gals: Quick question about the Seminole supplement. The 50 oral questions at the end; Are all 50 covered at the oral or only half or so? atp __________________ "Personality and Charm may get the door open; however it's Character & Integrity that keeps them open."

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