ATP Training Certify 747

[JRBlueSkys]

Im starting my PP cert in April then following up with my ACPP My question is How do you get to train and certify on a 747 or a 767 if they require that experience before you apply ?

[Captain_Bob]

I really don't understand your question...

But... there is no pre-requisite for training on any aircraft before going to ATP. They also don't have any training facilities for the 74 ot 76. There are no airlines that I know of that even require experience in those aircraft before getting hired.

Bob

[JRBlueSkys]

Thanks Bob you answered my question.

[USMC-SGT]

you are good bob...i dont even know what he asked or what you answed but you did a heck of a job and make it look easy

[SoonerAv8r]

I tnink that you are missing a huge point to the question. If you are just now working on your private, You've got a ton of huge steps to go before you even get a sniff of a 74 or 76. You are going to spend time in the regionals flying RJ's before you can build the time to get an interview with a Legacy carrier. better plan on a min. 2500hrs Turbine PIC

[DE727UPS]

"You've got a ton of huge steps to go before you even get a sniff of a 74 or 76."

Well, I don't know. I guess I could let you sniff my 767. It would look a little weird, but I might be able to work it out. Depends on the time and place.

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

"You've got a ton of huge steps to go before you even get a sniff of a 74 or 76."

Well, I don't know. I guess I could let you sniff my 767. It would look a little weird, but I might be able to work it out. Depends on the time and place.

Sniff sniff. Mmmm, cargo.

[777forever]

I sniffed Delta's 757 and 767 couple days ago after playing in the ATR.

[JRBlueSkys]

So essentially im looking at 3 years to gain 2500 flight hours before i can even interview with a regional? Im wondering if my decision to fly is foolhardy now. That will put my age at 45 . Also the money i will lose. Im currently leaving a profession that pays 150k a year and starting at 20k . . I just gave ATP 2k to hold my seat for a april start date--i should of joined this board earlier to get the facts. I guess the willingness to fly has to far outweigh the costs (time and Money)

Flying has always been my dream --it was put on hold in my second year of college -started a family unexpeditly was in NROTC was going to fly after graduation. Now 20 years later 4 boys later all out of the house i thought i could pick up where i left off.--not join the military but Fly. I guess i have to give it all up to do this.

Any suggestions--is it possible to maintain my current career and work on my flight hours slowly - Are there charter services that will alow me to pay for flight time to earn flight hours?
The road ahead looks dismal working as a cfi at 2k a month is a big sacrafice.

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by JRBlueSkys from another thread

Just curious with the CFI.. Could anyone tell me what is a typical day for a CFI with ATP. The reason is i need to justify the amount of money with the debt i have.. Can you work a second job working cfi in the day?

Thanks

So, you have a 150K/year job and a bunch of debt? Don't switch careers then. You'll be in bankruptcy next week.

Are you serious, or somebody meesing with us? To get on with a regional, you need to get your Commercial certificate, and then work for a few months as a flight instructor. You can be flying with a regional anywhere from finishing flight training, to 6 months as a CFI. Then you put in your time at a regional (probably looking at 3-9 years at a regional) to be qualified for the Majors, and depending on the economy, you may get picked up. It's a crapshoot at this point what the industry will do in the future.

Good luck in your endeavors, and ask away, as this is one of the best sites for the new-to-aviation crowd.

[SkiHigh2002]

Originally Posted by JRBlueSkys

So essentially im looking at 3 years to gain 2500 flight hours before i can even interview with a regional?

Not really... most regional airlines are hiring at around 500 hours of flight time at this point. Sure, that can fluctuate and change but I don't see the hiring minimums going up to 2500 hours in the near future.

Originally Posted by JRBlueSkys

Any suggestions--is it possible to maintain my current career and work on my flight hours slowly - Are there charter services that will alow me to pay for flight time to earn flight hours?
The road ahead looks dismal working as a cfi at 2k a month is a big sacrafice.

You know, you don't HAVE to go to ATP to get the pilot training. My certificates look just the same as an ATP'er and I went through a 4-year degree program.

Do you have a small municipal airport nearby? Nearly all airports have some flight school on the premises. Some are better than others but all are definitely worth checking out.

Are you set on flying as a career? The reason I ask is if I had $150k/yr job my ass wouldn't be sitting in STL right now waiting for a delayed flight to ORD. I'd be flying for fun in my free time.

[athomeinthesky]

With the kind of money you are making now why don't you just buy your own plane and fly just for fun.

You don't have to go to ATP you could go to a local flight school and work on your ratings. Right now you can get hired at regional airlines with low time (300-700hrs) but all that could change.

Once at a regional you are looking at probably 4-8years depending on your airline. Once you have around 1000PIC (thats the flight time once your a captain) you can start applying to the majors but obviously if there is no jobs at the majors your stuck at a regional.

[JRBlueSkys]

Heart is set on flying full time. The contract work i do with cisco is alot of remote work. is it possible to work as a pilot and work on contacts in my spare time or is free time for a pilot very little?

[SkiHigh2002]

The airline life has a lot of down time. I'd bet JC and APC would be about half as active if the aviation life didn't have so much down time.

[JRBlueSkys]

Well, thats kinda good news.

[Clocks]

I haven't touched a plane in almost 2 weeks at my regional

[JRBlueSkys]

Wow--so it is conceivable to work on other stuff. This shines a little hope.

thank you

[Clocks]

Originally Posted by JRBlueSkys

Wow--so it is conceivable to work on other stuff. This shines a little hope.

thank you

As long as you are working from home it should be fine.

I'm not sure how other airlines work, but if scheduling calls me I have to be at the airport within 2 hours (except for my days off, of course). Although I think I'm learning how to better predict if I'll get called, but that could all change with bad weather, or a couple of sick calls from other pilots.

[Cptnchia]

Originally Posted by JRBlueSkys

then following up with my ACPP

I'm still trying to figure out what this is.

[v1valarob]

Originally Posted by Cptnchia

I'm still trying to figure out what this is.

ATPs Airline Career Pilot Program, ACPP = 90 Day Program.

-Rob

[Cptnchia]

Originally Posted by v1valarob

ATPs Airline Career Pilot Program, ACPP = 90 Day Program.

-Rob

Thanks. Guess I'm just an old school pilot.

[esa17]

It sounds to me that if you've got a lucrative career going at this point in life it may be foolish to jump ship and start flying an RJ. Think about it from a purely economical standpoint and you'll see what I mean. Since your kids are gone you've probably got some money to play with unless you're already in debt up to your eyeballs but what will switching careers do to your retirement savings? I'm betting you'll be in the poor house faster than your wife can file for divorce. If you make 150k per year then you should easily be able to afford a fast, reliable, and fun piston single that you can fly the paint off of. Build your time that way and move up into the corporate world where you can still fly professionally but without taking such a massive financial hit. Then, if you like it "retire" from your current job and fly professionally as a second career.

A friend of mine runs his own software company and travels all over the country in his Comanche conducting his business. I think you're better off copying that model than trying to reinvent the wheel.

[JRBlueSkys]

Thanks Esa17 That sounds very reseonable. Just curious what kind of credentials do you need to interview for Corporate --Ie flight time, certs . I may just go get my certs and after 5 months work my current profession forgo the cfi and pay charter to log hours.

Thanks
John

[esa17]

Originally Posted by JRBlueSkys

Thanks Esa17 That sounds very reseonable. Just curious what kind of credentials do you need to interview for Corporate --Ie flight time, certs . I may just go get my certs and after 5 months work my current profession forgo the cfi and pay charter to log hours.

Thanks
John

My personal experience is its "who you know" early on that really helps you out in that end of the business.

[SoCalAprch]

Originally Posted by JRBlueSkys

Thanks Esa17 That sounds very reseonable. Just curious what kind of credentials do you need to interview for Corporate --Ie flight time, certs . I may just go get my certs and after 5 months work my current profession forgo the cfi and pay charter to log hours.

Thanks
John

My advice would be to just play it as it comes. If it has been your dream to fly go get your certs and ratings while you work your current job. After that is done build hours. Once you have more hours reevaluate your options. Even if you get there and realize you don't want to quit your job, you still have all your ratings and can fly the smaller planes whenever you want. If you want to goto the regionals then do it. You are 45. That means you still have 20 years of flying in the airline world. Take it step by step. Just because you want to pursue aviation doesn't mean you have to give up your job getting there.