Meeting Part 135.243c req

[atpwannabe]

A question for those who are familiar with ATP. Let's assume that a rising tide lauches all boats. OK? ok!!!

At what ATP location and how long would I have to instruct there before I reach the IFR mins for Part 135.243c?

I cut & pasted this from Airnet's website. These are the min I'm speaking of.

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• Holds at least a commercial pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that aircraft; and
• Has had at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including 500 hours of cross-country flight time, 100 hours of night flight time, and 75 hours of actual or simulated instrument time at least 50 hours of which were in actual flight; and
• For an airplane, holds an instrument rating or an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category rating;

Thanks,

atp

[Clocks]

Guess 70-100 hours a month total

Over my 90 days and 215 hours as a CFI:
40% of my time was XC (more than 50nm)
20% of my time was night

Assuming you mostly instruct career students (addons are all just out and back) and basing this on my personal breakdown of dual given: If you leave the ACPP with 240 hours and 50ish hours of XC, it would take 12 months (at 80 hours a month) to hit 1200 hours, and you'd have 434 hours of cross country and 192 hours of night. If the cross countries don't have to be more than 50nm, then you'd have more like 770 hours of XC after 12 months since only 19% of my fight time didn't involve a landing at another airport. I don't remember what the rule is on that and I'm to tired to look it up right now. As far as actual and simulated time I believe you get around 25-30 hours of instrument time during the program (in an airplane), and about 40 hours in the sim, so you'll have more than 75 hours of instrument time, but you'll be about 25 hours short on "at least 50 hours of which were in actual flight" and no way to get it as a CFI. Even actively searching for IMC I only got 6.4 hours during this.

[atpwannabe]

Cool. Bet it up Clocks!!! That's what I was looking for. I think I'll shoot for the proverbial 1K TT and hopefully have high percentages of ME, XC's, night flying, etc. Twelve months seems a long time to instruct. I had figured on about 6-8 at the most.


atp

[SIUav8er]

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

Cool. Bet it up Clocks!!! That's what I was looking for. I think I'll shoot for the proverbial 1K TT and hopefully have high percentages of ME, XC's, night flying, etc. Twelve months seems a long time to instruct. I had figured on about 6-8 at the most.


atp

I cant imagine getting 1000 hours in 6-8 months of instructing anywhere. Your looking at at least a year of instructing to reach 135 mins if you finished your training in the minimum time.

My experience with instructing at ATP is that for each hour of flight time I log, Im spending at least 1-2 hours in the office doing ground instruction, admin stuff, etc. Im at work an average of 10 hours a day (6-7 days a week) and i log about 80 hours a month. Of course this all depends on which location youre working too.

[atpwannabe]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

I cant imagine getting 1000 hours in 6-8 months of instructing anywhere. Your looking at at least a year of instructing to reach 135 mins if you finished your training in the minimum time.

My experience with instructing at ATP is that for each hour of flight time I log, Im spending at least 1-2 hours in the office doing ground instruction, admin stuff, etc. Im at work an average of 10 hours a day (6-7 days a week) and i log about 80 hours a month. Of course this all depends on which location youre working too.

SIUav8er:

I hear that it's the SUA location where a CFI can p/u googobbs of ME time? Also, is that about the average...80 hrs/mo?


atp

[SRA_kbad]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

I cant imagine getting 1000 hours in 6-8 months of instructing anywhere. Your looking at at least a year of instructing to reach 135 mins if you finished your training in the minimum time.

My experience with instructing at ATP is that for each hour of flight time I log, Im spending at least 1-2 hours in the office doing ground instruction, admin stuff, etc. Im at work an average of 10 hours a day (6-7 days a week) and i log about 80 hours a month. Of course this all depends on which location youre working too.

Thats cuz you were the office BI-ATCH!!!

[SIUav8er]

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

SIUav8er:

I hear that it's the SUA location where a CFI can p/u googobbs of ME time? Also, is that about the average...80 hrs/mo?


atp

I just dont see how any CFI at any location is going to be flying more than 80 hours a month in the seminnoles. theres just too much other things that you have to do. You don't just show up for work and fly for 8 hours straight. Trust me, that aint how it works!

The guys training private pilots and doing timebuilding are racking up the most hours. ive heard of someone getting 130 hours in a month doing that...but its all single engine time.

Regardless of the location youre at, youre doing the same things, teaching the same stuff.

[atpwannabe]

SIU:

I hear ya!!! I don't know. I really just trying to get a pulse on time building, pursing Part 135 or 121 and if I did do 121, do I go for the RJ's or do I shoot for the Q-400/ATR-72. I don't know. I guess as each situation arises, I will intuitively know how to handle it.


atp

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by Clocks

Guess 70-100 hours a month total

Over my 90 days and 215 hours as a CFI:
40% of my time was XC (more than 50nm)
20% of my time was night

Assuming you mostly instruct career students (addons are all just out and back) and basing this on my personal breakdown of dual given: If you leave the ACPP with 240 hours and 50ish hours of XC, it would take 12 months (at 80 hours a month) to hit 1200 hours, and you'd have 434 hours of cross country and 192 hours of night. If the cross countries don't have to be more than 50nm, then you'd have more like 770 hours of XC after 12 months since only 19% of my fight time didn't involve a landing at another airport. I don't remember what the rule is on that and I'm to tired to look it up right now. As far as actual and simulated time I believe you get around 25-30 hours of instrument time during the program (in an airplane), and about 40 hours in the sim, so you'll have more than 75 hours of instrument time, but you'll be about 25 hours short on "at least 50 hours of which were in actual flight" and no way to get it as a CFI. Even actively searching for IMC I only got 6.4 hours during this.

a couple of things.

1. 50 hours of simulated or actual IFR in flight, ie in an airplane and not a sim. that is easy. i am up to 30 hours of actual IMC logged now, with about 50 or so simulated time. i logged 9 hours of actual this month alone. then again i don't instruct at ATP

2. the XC is point to point, doesn't have to be 50nm

The guys training private pilots and doing timebuilding are racking up the most hours. ive heard of someone getting 130 hours in a month doing that...but its all single engine time.

TT is TT, in the end most 135 ops don't care if you don't have 50 multi, if you are close you will get the rest you need in training