ATP Question

fly8slep · January 29th, 2007, 22:59

Does ATP provide supplemental oxygen for their students?

Captain_Bob · January 30th, 2007, 00:00

No... Why would they?

Most long distance XC flights I did in the Seminole were @ 7,000-12,000 ft. It was the middle of summer so my flight partner and I wanted to get up high and cool.

You can go higher than that... but just not for more than 30 minutes. Regardless... there's no place you'll fly in the ATP system that would require that of you.

Regardless... the 'nole doesn't climb very well above 12K... especially in the summer in Texas...

Bob

fly8slep · January 30th, 2007, 01:08

Oh really? I've been looking at some flights on flightaware, most are flying between 10-12k, don't know a lot of people that fly that high with no oxygen.

Captain_Bob · January 30th, 2007, 01:19

FAA only requires the use of supplemental O2 if you are going to be above 12,500 feet for more than 30 minutes or longer... or above 14,000 feet for the entire trip.

So... what you are seeing on FlightAware pretty much is right on from what I saw when I flew the Seminole.

Trust me... there's LOT's of people flying around under 12,500 without supplemental O2.

Anyway... here's a great screenshot of a typical day at ATP. Highest on this day was 11,000 feet... and that was out west near the mountains.

http://www.atpflightschool.com/flyin...004-08-20.html

Bob

fly8slep · January 30th, 2007, 04:38

I see, it's a Southwestern thing. By the way as far as routes, are coast to coast flights required or can you limit your flying to your area at ATP?

Captain_Bob · January 30th, 2007, 14:47

During your cross country phase at ATP... you are effectively "dispatched" to locations with a flight partner. During the ACPP 90-day program... two weeks are dedicated to this aspect of the program.

You never really know where you are going and that's why housing, fuel & transportation is covered by ATP. So... you could end up with "out & backs" for those two weeks... or you could end up not seeing your base again for several days.

You may be in a different or unique position... because, quite frankly, most folks want the long distance cross country experience. It takes you through some of our nations busiest airspace (DFW, ATL, DCA, JAX, PHX, LAX, LAS, etc.), and varying terrain and weather. The experience is great... This is one of the biggest benefits to the program in my opinion.

If you live close to one of the locations... and will be staying at home or with family during your training... then I suppose I can understand somewhat. Just keep in mind that there will be another time in the program where you will need to be away from your home base for an additional 2 weeks... and that is for the CFI portion of your training (unless you are training in one of the bases that does the CFI portion).

Hope that helps...

Bob

AlWaYs HiGh · January 30th, 2007, 19:32

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Originally Posted by fly8slep

Oh really? I've been looking at some flights on flightaware, most are flying between 10-12k, don't know a lot of people that fly that high with no oxygen.

I don't know why anyone in their right mind would want to suck on oxygen below 12000 since its not required, unless they have a medical condition or something...That just seems uncomfortable and a waste of money in my opinion. And the other guy is right, the Seminole performs like a fat pig above 12k anyway.

jawright · January 31st, 2007, 13:05

The hard deck is 10,000 feet. The rules are there for your safety. They are not flexible, nor am I.

lnewby · January 31st, 2007, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawright

The hard deck is 10,000 feet. The rules are there for your safety. They are not flexible, nor am I.

Some of my fellow classmates were talking about that movie tonight. We couldn't believe that it has been 20 years since it came out.

End hijack.

Pfly · February 1st, 2007, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnewby

End hijack.

Quick re-hijack. How's the first coupla days?

January 29th, 2007, 22:59	#1
fly8slep Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stl Posts: 411	ATP Question Does ATP provide supplemental oxygen for their students?

January 30th, 2007, 00:00	#2
Captain_Bob Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based in ONT, wishing I was in Maine Posts: 3,898	Re: ATP Question No... Why would they? Most long distance XC flights I did in the Seminole were @ 7,000-12,000 ft. It was the middle of summer so my flight partner and I wanted to get up high and cool. You can go higher than that... but just not for more than 30 minutes. Regardless... there's no place you'll fly in the ATP system that would require that of you. Regardless... the 'nole doesn't climb very well above 12K... especially in the summer in Texas... Bob __________________ My head is in the clouds and my heart is still in Maine... but my devotion and love belong to my wife and children. Pics!

January 30th, 2007, 01:08	#3
fly8slep Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stl Posts: 411	Re: ATP Question Oh really? I've been looking at some flights on flightaware, most are flying between 10-12k, don't know a lot of people that fly that high with no oxygen.

January 30th, 2007, 01:19	#4
Captain_Bob Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based in ONT, wishing I was in Maine Posts: 3,898	Re: ATP Question FAA only requires the use of supplemental O2 if you are going to be above 12,500 feet for more than 30 minutes or longer... or above 14,000 feet for the entire trip. So... what you are seeing on FlightAware pretty much is right on from what I saw when I flew the Seminole. Trust me... there's LOT's of people flying around under 12,500 without supplemental O2. Anyway... here's a great screenshot of a typical day at ATP. Highest on this day was 11,000 feet... and that was out west near the mountains. http://www.atpflightschool.com/flyin...004-08-20.html Bob __________________ My head is in the clouds and my heart is still in Maine... but my devotion and love belong to my wife and children. Pics!

January 30th, 2007, 04:38	#5
fly8slep Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stl Posts: 411	Re: ATP Question I see, it's a Southwestern thing. By the way as far as routes, are coast to coast flights required or can you limit your flying to your area at ATP?

January 30th, 2007, 14:47	#6
Captain_Bob Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based in ONT, wishing I was in Maine Posts: 3,898	Re: ATP Question During your cross country phase at ATP... you are effectively "dispatched" to locations with a flight partner. During the ACPP 90-day program... two weeks are dedicated to this aspect of the program. You never really know where you are going and that's why housing, fuel & transportation is covered by ATP. So... you could end up with "out & backs" for those two weeks... or you could end up not seeing your base again for several days. You may be in a different or unique position... because, quite frankly, most folks want the long distance cross country experience. It takes you through some of our nations busiest airspace (DFW, ATL, DCA, JAX, PHX, LAX, LAS, etc.), and varying terrain and weather. The experience is great... This is one of the biggest benefits to the program in my opinion. If you live close to one of the locations... and will be staying at home or with family during your training... then I suppose I can understand somewhat. Just keep in mind that there will be another time in the program where you will need to be away from your home base for an additional 2 weeks... and that is for the CFI portion of your training (unless you are training in one of the bases that does the CFI portion). Hope that helps... Bob __________________ My head is in the clouds and my heart is still in Maine... but my devotion and love belong to my wife and children. Pics!

January 31st, 2007, 13:05	#8
jawright Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: in search of the elusive "BowieGoat." Posts: 424	Re: ATP Question The hard deck is 10,000 feet. The rules are there for your safety. They are not flexible, nor am I.

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