Curriculum question for ATP Instructors or Students

[mperrizo]

I am looking for information that would help me prep a student for entry into ATP. I have a student at a part 61 school in Ohio who will be doing his private with me and then moving on to ATP Phoenix. The student is just getting started so I would like to make his transition from me to ATP as easy for him as possible. If you have any ckecklist flow recomendations or common problems students have making this transition please post here or send me a message.

Thanks for your help!

Michael Perrizo

[SpiraMirabilis]

If he can get a copy of the piper seminole supplement (he can download it from the student extranet if he's already signed up) it might help a lot if you could go over bascally everything in there. Multi-engine aerodynamics (critical engine factors, etc), vmc, systems in the seminole, v speeds.
Depending on his experence in a complex aircraft, some groundschool over retractable gear and their flows--positive rate, gear up. gumps check leaving 1000 ft, gear down stabilized at 400 ft.

[mperrizo]

Thanks for the info. His packet should be arriving any day I would hope. I am only doing his private sel but I will make sure he is preped on multi systems.

Thanks,

Michael Perrizo

[SpiraMirabilis]

I'm not sure they'll send a packet out unless he's already interviewed. I'd not give it a whole lot of thought until he passes his asel -- after that, it would probably help to have a few ground lessons on complex aircraft (retractable gear, constant speed props) and basic multi-engine aerodynamics.

What would really give him a heads up is if he could complete all of his writtens before he got to ATP.

[pilot1]

Something that was pretty helpful to me was the time building that I did before starting the program. I didn't have the 25 hours XC PIC requirement so ATP paired me up with an instructor on a few instrument flights in order to get them. I was able to go in the clouds for the first time, shoot a few approaches and get familiar with the whole IFR world. That experience proved invaluable when I started doing my instrument training! At ATP you get your private multi real fast and then it's on to the instrument rating. I'm not sure if you are going to be flying with your student after he gets his license or not, but in my opinion, taking him on a few IFR X Countries would really help him.

[Heath]

Originally Posted by mperrizo

I am looking for information that would help me prep a student for entry into ATP. I have a student at a part 61 school in Ohio who will be doing his private with me and then moving on to ATP Phoenix. The student is just getting started so I would like to make his transition from me to ATP as easy for him as possible. If you have any ckecklist flow recomendations or common problems students have making this transition please post here or send me a message.

Thanks for your help!

Michael Perrizo

Have him talk to an instructor at one of the career bases and get copies of ATP's 172 normal and emergency checklists. It would probably be helpful to get in the habit of using the same list.

But it's not really a big deal as he's gonna be in the seminole 99% of the time up starting and he'll learn that stuff at ATP.

[Asta]

Originally Posted by pilot1

Something that was pretty helpful to me was the time building that I did before starting the program. I didn't have the 25 hours XC PIC requirement so ATP paired me up with an instructor on a few instrument flights in order to get them. I was able to go in the clouds for the first time, shoot a few approaches and get familiar with the whole IFR world. That experience proved invaluable when I started doing my instrument training! At ATP you get your private multi real fast and then it's on to the instrument rating. I'm not sure if you are going to be flying with your student after he gets his license or not, but in my opinion, taking him on a few IFR X Countries would really help him.

Hey, Pilot1, did you do your ATP in Trenton?

[pilot1]

Originally Posted by Asta

Hey, Pilot1, did you do your ATP in Trenton?

I did go to ATP in Trenton if that's what you mean (I don't have an ATP certificate though if that's what you meant)

[Asta]

Originally Posted by pilot1

I did go to ATP in Trenton if that's what you mean (I don't have an ATP certificate though if that's what you meant)

Right, I meant to ask if you went to ATP in Trenton as I'm considering giving it a go. Mind if I ask how you liked it? How long ago did you attend? I wonder how quickly you went through the program, as they do not have the expedited program at that facility.

[pilot1]

Originally Posted by Asta

Right, I meant to ask if you went to ATP in Trenton as I'm considering giving it a go. Mind if I ask how you liked it? How long ago did you attend? I wonder how quickly you went through the program, as they do not have the expedited program at that facility.

I had a great experience, the training I got was excellent. I had to stop training for a bit since I had to move and I changed jobs so I took longer than the advertised 10 months,but that was not ATP's fault. It will all depend on how often you are available to fly. I always worked full time so I was only able to fly 2 days a week. I've heard of people finishing the program in as little as 4 months though. The quality of your training will depend on your instructor. I know the instructors I had at Trenton are no longer there so I wouldn't be able to give you an opinion now, but overall, ATP is a great school to go to if your goal is to get to the airlines.