PPL before ATP

SkyHawg · June 24th, 2006, 23:04

Today I decided to complete my PPL before I attend ATP. I was planning on going to ATP in Setember or October to get my private PL and the go through the career program. That's 2-3 months away. I went out to a couple local FBO's and got to talking and discovered I could save anywhere from $2000-$2500 dollars and shave 2-3 months off the completion time at ATP.

So today I went up for my first official lesson. I go on vacation July 7-16 and hope to be soloing before I go!

Also I checked the local FBO program to get their commerical, instrument, and CFI ratings. They do as little flying as they can in multi-engine planes. At ATP most all the commericial ratings are in multi-engines. At this FBO rates for multi-engines $230(forgot the plane) an hour for 190 hours is over $40k and that doesn't include instruction.

BTW that's not where I am taking my PPL. They don't have enough demand for Multi-engine.

UPS here I come!

FlyingNole · June 24th, 2006, 23:24

You want to go to UPS but you want to fly as little as you can in multi-engine airplanes? And ATP has a fixed rate on its PPL program, the regular flight schools dont. The prices they quoted you are averages, you'll end up spending as much or more on your PPL at ATP then you will anywhere else.

Timbuff10 · June 25th, 2006, 00:29

Yeah, you will not get a better deal on the private pilot license than you will at ATP.

If I were you I would do the Private at ATP but before I got there I would go to your local FBO and learn to fly a older model 172 (M,N, or P model) to the point where I soloed already and felt comfortable flying the plane by myself. That will make sure that you know this flying thing is for you too before you drop huge amounts on it at ATP. Also make sure you get the written done before you get there or you will have a hectic first week at ATP. If you do what I mentioned above you will breeze through your private program down in JAX and be ready for whatever they throw at you.

Good luck with whatever you do! I have been there too at one point, have fun!

CaptainChris87 · June 25th, 2006, 01:57

I went up here to UND to get my ppl as well as take some classes, I know made a big change and am doing ATP's program this fall, but yeah you can save more money by doing ATP's program. I myself will need to build time with them around 15-20 xc hours.

SkyHawg · June 25th, 2006, 11:25

Well the only reason I am doing it is because I will be 2-3 months ahead of the game, and the Wet rates for Cessna 150, Cessna 172, and Tomahawk are $60 an hour. This is a small town airport where my dad got his PPL and it has no landing fees.

trevs11 · June 25th, 2006, 11:32

$60 an hour wet is a pretty good rate - just remember you need 85 hours total time minimum, and of that at least 25 must be PIC cross country time to enter the Career pilot program. The price of ATP's private program includes getting your PPL and flight time to get you to 85 hours with the 25 hours PIC cross country.

FlyingNole · June 25th, 2006, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyHawg

has no landing fees.

Neither does most of the airports you'll fly in to

SkyHawg · June 25th, 2006, 20:07

Yep those 85 hours is reason getting my PPL won't be half as much as ATP. Those extra 25 hours.

I am going to use the extra money buy me the computer I wanted and a bose X aviator.

I had the hugest headache yesterday with the headphones I used.

Also I decided I am going to Stuart instead of Jacksonville. I will get to go to Jacksonville if I get hired as a CFI.

FlyingNole · June 25th, 2006, 21:35

Actually they will tell you where you will be instructing. You get to pick where you want but you may not get it...You may want to do a lil more research on all of this.

SkyHawg · June 26th, 2006, 01:31

Right. I am now planning on going to ACPP in Stuart, FL.

Airdale · June 26th, 2006, 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyHawg

Yep those 85 hours is reason getting my PPL won't be half as much as ATP. Those extra 25 hours.

I am going to use the extra money buy me the computer I wanted and a bose X aviator.

I had the hugest headache yesterday with the headphones I used.

Also I decided I am going to Stuart instead of Jacksonville. I will get to go to Jacksonville if I get hired as a CFI.

Dude, either way you need those extra 25 hrs whether you train at ATP for your private or not. Its a requirement for the ACPP.

I would highly suggest you get your Private at ATP if you intend on doing the ACPP. Not only will it be cheaper (trust me, local FBO's love to quote low rates and end up extending your lessons so that you pay more - been there done that), but also you will be familiar with ATP and our procedures. It will make you better prepared for the ACPP because even your private training is very regimented and strict on procedures. Not to mention ATP's maintenance on the aircraft is great. All of the airplanes are standardized as well as instructor training. After you obtain your PPL, you will cross country with an instructor on IFR flight plans and learn the IFR environment before you even start the ACPP. On my PPL cross countries I flew from Jax to Dallas, Houston, VA, NC, ATL and Ft. Lauderdale. Its a great learning experience and its cheap flight time.

I'd think about

atpwannabe · June 26th, 2006, 10:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airdale

Dude, either way you need those extra 25 hrs whether you train at ATP for your private or not. Its a requirement for the ACPP.

I would highly suggest you get your Private at ATP if you intend on doing the ACPP. Not only will it be cheaper (trust me, local FBO's love to quote low rates and end up extending your lessons so that you pay more - been there done that), but also you will be familiar with ATP and our procedures. It will make you better prepared for the ACPP because even your private training is very regimented and strict on procedures. Not to mention ATP's maintenance on the aircraft is great. All of the airplanes are standardized as well as instructor training. After you obtain your PPL, you will cross country with an instructor on IFR flight plans and learn the IFR environment before you even start the ACPP. On my PPL cross countries I flew from Jax to Dallas, Houston, VA, NC, ATL and Ft. Lauderdale. Its a great learning experience and its cheap flight time.

I'd think about

Thanks for the info. I was unaware of how much flying you did in the PP program at ATP in terms of XC flying. You've given me something to think about. I may have to reconsider starting my training at a local FBO here in Naples, FL as oppose to just going through the PP & ACP Programs @ ATP.

Thanks again. Blue skies.

atpwannabe

SkyHawg · June 26th, 2006, 14:13

My instructor did his CFI training at ATP. He has been instructing me on how ATP does things. One thing he does stress is that ATP is much more rigid that local FBO's are. If I thought for a second I would be left holding the check I wouldn't work with these guys but I really like them. The only reason I am doing my PPL training now is I can get it done before I leave for Florida, otherwise I would have done it all at ATP. I wish I could leave today but I can't.

Today I finished my second day up and it was in a 172. I did some stalls, 60 degree turns, some free falls (I love these!), sudden upward movement to simulate G's (still learning my terminology), steady turns, elevating while turning, descending while turning and several landings. I am up to 2.5 hours.

Might solo by next week! Did I mention I only have to be taught once? Well we'll see if that holds up.

atpwannabe · June 26th, 2006, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airdale

Dude, either way you need those extra 25 hrs whether you train at ATP for your private or not. Its a requirement for the ACPP...

...After you obtain your PPL, you will cross country with an instructor on IFR flight plans and learn the IFR environment before you even start the ACPP. On my PPL cross countries I flew from Jax to Dallas, Houston, VA, NC, ATL and Ft. Lauderdale. Its a great learning experience and its cheap flight time.

I'd think about

Airdale:

Just to make clear, after completing my PPL @ ATP...I will XC w/an instructor doing IFR flight planning in a ASEL (with stops at some of the destinations listed above) before I start the ACP Program which is mostly, if not all multi-engine? Right?

Is this done to get me to the required 85 hours or is this something else?

atp

FlyingNole · June 26th, 2006, 22:01

Yes...You have to do some CC flights for your pvt requirement.

atpwannabe · June 26th, 2006, 22:08

How many XC flight hours could one anticipate on accruing during their entire training @ ATP? I'm talking PPL to CFII. Would it be enough to meet the minimums of some 135 ops?

atp

FlyingNole · June 26th, 2006, 22:44

It varies, check the site they give you an estimate...And no, when you graduate you wont have enough hours for any kind of employment besides being a CFI

Airdale · June 27th, 2006, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

How many XC flight hours could one anticipate on accruing during their entire training @ ATP? I'm talking PPL to CFII. Would it be enough to meet the minimums of some 135 ops?

atp

I'm not sure total time, but it will be upwards of 130, possibly even 150 hrs.

The X/C time you get in the PPL program is to meet the 85hr TT requirement and the 25hr x/c PIC requirement. During my PPL training, I flew 35 x/c PIC hours. You are given 85hrs total in the PPL program though, so how quickly you get your license determines how much PIC x/c you'll get. As far as 135 mins, I highly doubt you'll get anywhere close to those.

SkyHawg · June 28th, 2006, 05:44

Day 3: Went up and did some slow flight. Also slow flight while turning and keeping steady speed. Practice using rudder to keep the plane steady. Practiced a few different stalls. Still learning terminology.

Being that I work nights, today I was a little loopy. I was a little discouraged that I was not able to focus as well I should and I could of.

3.6 Hours TT.

SkyHawg · June 29th, 2006, 02:56

Day 4: Today we went up in the 172. Taxi'd and took off all my myself (instructor in the right seat). Went through emergency procedure flying down to a farm field less than 10 feet off the ground without landing. Ran through several types of stalls. Worked on some slow flight. Then did 3 touch and goes landing the last one by myself.

5 hours TT.

LoadMasterC141 · June 29th, 2006, 14:05

Solo'd last night. 4.5TT. Beat ya. Neener neener neener! hehe.

Just kiddin bud. I actually have 29.5 hours from 1993-1994. It really helps.

Sounds like you are progressing well. 10feet off the ground? Yikes. My original instructor did that to me. I thought we were going to hit a cow.

SkyHawg · June 29th, 2006, 20:17

I tell you what. Being in an airplane is so surreal. I respect it but for some reason I don't fear being in one. The best part is when we pull some G's. I think I would like aerobatics but that's not my goal.

The weird part is I used to be afraid of heights and I hated roller coasters. I do get freaked out being 20 feet off the ground but not 50 and up.

Flying is great! Hope to solo at 11 hours next week.

FlyingNole · June 29th, 2006, 22:51

Shouldnt this be in another section since you don't go to ATP? lol

SkyHawg · June 30th, 2006, 00:24

I like the sound of that. The SkyHawg's Private Pilot's License Section.

SkyHawg · July 5th, 2006, 01:50

Day 7. Today went up and continued working the traffic pattern. Did about 5 touch and goes. Learned how to slip on the approach. Good stuff. Discovered that scaring the CFI on purpose is quite fun. Turn about is fair play. The CFI turned the engine to idle and I had to land. We didn't die. So that is always I good thing.

8.6 Hours. Hope to solo on Thursday.

June 24th, 2006, 23:04	#1
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	PPL before ATP Today I decided to complete my PPL before I attend ATP. I was planning on going to ATP in Setember or October to get my private PL and the go through the career program. That's 2-3 months away. I went out to a couple local FBO's and got to talking and discovered I could save anywhere from $2000-$2500 dollars and shave 2-3 months off the completion time at ATP. So today I went up for my first official lesson. I go on vacation July 7-16 and hope to be soloing before I go! Also I checked the local FBO program to get their commerical, instrument, and CFI ratings. They do as little flying as they can in multi-engine planes. At ATP most all the commericial ratings are in multi-engines. At this FBO rates for multi-engines $230(forgot the plane) an hour for 190 hours is over $40k and that doesn't include instruction. BTW that's not where I am taking my PPL. They don't have enough demand for Multi-engine. UPS here I come!

June 24th, 2006, 23:24	#2
FlyingNole Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 2,090	Re: PPL before ATP You want to go to UPS but you want to fly as little as you can in multi-engine airplanes? And ATP has a fixed rate on its PPL program, the regular flight schools dont. The prices they quoted you are averages, you'll end up spending as much or more on your PPL at ATP then you will anywhere else. __________________ Don't call her a babe, ok? She is a Chechnyan prostitute, and you will address her as such! -ATHF

June 25th, 2006, 00:29	#3
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,235	Re: PPL before ATP Yeah, you will not get a better deal on the private pilot license than you will at ATP. If I were you I would do the Private at ATP but before I got there I would go to your local FBO and learn to fly a older model 172 (M,N, or P model) to the point where I soloed already and felt comfortable flying the plane by myself. That will make sure that you know this flying thing is for you too before you drop huge amounts on it at ATP. Also make sure you get the written done before you get there or you will have a hectic first week at ATP. If you do what I mentioned above you will breeze through your private program down in JAX and be ready for whatever they throw at you. Good luck with whatever you do! I have been there too at one point, have fun! __________________ My Photography My Airliners.net photos

June 25th, 2006, 01:57	#4
CaptainChris87 Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: O.C. Posts: 1,779	Re: PPL before ATP I went up here to UND to get my ppl as well as take some classes, I know made a big change and am doing ATP's program this fall, but yeah you can save more money by doing ATP's program. I myself will need to build time with them around 15-20 xc hours. __________________ -CP/MEL-IR;AGI -Former Airline Intern,Sightseeing tours pilot -A.A.:Trasnfer Studies. Cal-State Fullerton: Finance/Entrepreneurship -Sigma Phi Epsilon Fraternity.-Pledge/Sigma President

June 25th, 2006, 11:25	#5
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP Well the only reason I am doing it is because I will be 2-3 months ahead of the game, and the Wet rates for Cessna 150, Cessna 172, and Tomahawk are $60 an hour. This is a small town airport where my dad got his PPL and it has no landing fees.

June 25th, 2006, 11:32	#6
trevs11 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KCVG / KDAY Posts: 22	Re: PPL before ATP $60 an hour wet is a pretty good rate - just remember you need 85 hours total time minimum, and of that at least 25 must be PIC cross country time to enter the Career pilot program. The price of ATP's private program includes getting your PPL and flight time to get you to 85 hours with the 25 hours PIC cross country.

June 25th, 2006, 20:07	#8
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP Yep those 85 hours is reason getting my PPL won't be half as much as ATP. Those extra 25 hours. I am going to use the extra money buy me the computer I wanted and a bose X aviator. I had the hugest headache yesterday with the headphones I used. Also I decided I am going to Stuart instead of Jacksonville. I will get to go to Jacksonville if I get hired as a CFI.

June 25th, 2006, 21:35	#9
FlyingNole Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 2,090	Re: PPL before ATP Actually they will tell you where you will be instructing. You get to pick where you want but you may not get it...You may want to do a lil more research on all of this. __________________ Don't call her a babe, ok? She is a Chechnyan prostitute, and you will address her as such! -ATHF

June 26th, 2006, 01:31	#10
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP Right. I am now planning on going to ACPP in Stuart, FL.

June 26th, 2006, 14:13	#13
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP My instructor did his CFI training at ATP. He has been instructing me on how ATP does things. One thing he does stress is that ATP is much more rigid that local FBO's are. If I thought for a second I would be left holding the check I wouldn't work with these guys but I really like them. The only reason I am doing my PPL training now is I can get it done before I leave for Florida, otherwise I would have done it all at ATP. I wish I could leave today but I can't. Today I finished my second day up and it was in a 172. I did some stalls, 60 degree turns, some free falls (I love these!), sudden upward movement to simulate G's (still learning my terminology), steady turns, elevating while turning, descending while turning and several landings. I am up to 2.5 hours. Might solo by next week! Did I mention I only have to be taught once? Well we'll see if that holds up.

June 26th, 2006, 22:01	#15
FlyingNole Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 2,090	Re: PPL before ATP Yes...You have to do some CC flights for your pvt requirement. __________________ Don't call her a babe, ok? She is a Chechnyan prostitute, and you will address her as such! -ATHF

June 26th, 2006, 22:08	#16
atpwannabe Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 203	Re: PPL before ATP How many XC flight hours could one anticipate on accruing during their entire training @ ATP? I'm talking PPL to CFII. Would it be enough to meet the minimums of some 135 ops? atp

June 26th, 2006, 22:44	#17
FlyingNole Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 2,090	Re: PPL before ATP It varies, check the site they give you an estimate...And no, when you graduate you wont have enough hours for any kind of employment besides being a CFI __________________ Don't call her a babe, ok? She is a Chechnyan prostitute, and you will address her as such! -ATHF

June 28th, 2006, 05:44	#19
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP Day 3: Went up and did some slow flight. Also slow flight while turning and keeping steady speed. Practice using rudder to keep the plane steady. Practiced a few different stalls. Still learning terminology. Being that I work nights, today I was a little loopy. I was a little discouraged that I was not able to focus as well I should and I could of. 3.6 Hours TT.

June 29th, 2006, 02:56	#20
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP Day 4: Today we went up in the 172. Taxi'd and took off all my myself (instructor in the right seat). Went through emergency procedure flying down to a farm field less than 10 feet off the ground without landing. Ran through several types of stalls. Worked on some slow flight. Then did 3 touch and goes landing the last one by myself. 5 hours TT.

June 29th, 2006, 14:05	#21
LoadMasterC141 Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: Live in Arlington, TX - From Ithaca, NY - Wish I was on an island in Fiji Posts: 1,928	Re: PPL before ATP Solo'd last night. 4.5TT. Beat ya. Neener neener neener! hehe. Just kiddin bud. I actually have 29.5 hours from 1993-1994. It really helps. Sounds like you are progressing well. 10feet off the ground? Yikes. My original instructor did that to me. I thought we were going to hit a cow.

June 29th, 2006, 20:17	#22
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP I tell you what. Being in an airplane is so surreal. I respect it but for some reason I don't fear being in one. The best part is when we pull some G's. I think I would like aerobatics but that's not my goal. The weird part is I used to be afraid of heights and I hated roller coasters. I do get freaked out being 20 feet off the ground but not 50 and up. Flying is great! Hope to solo at 11 hours next week.

June 29th, 2006, 22:51	#23
FlyingNole Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 2,090	Re: PPL before ATP Shouldnt this be in another section since you don't go to ATP? lol __________________ Don't call her a babe, ok? She is a Chechnyan prostitute, and you will address her as such! -ATHF

June 30th, 2006, 00:24	#24
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP I like the sound of that. The SkyHawg's Private Pilot's License Section.

July 5th, 2006, 01:50	#25
SkyHawg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 570	Re: PPL before ATP Day 7. Today went up and continued working the traffic pattern. Did about 5 touch and goes. Learned how to slip on the approach. Good stuff. Discovered that scaring the CFI on purpose is quite fun. Turn about is fair play. The CFI turned the engine to idle and I had to land. We didn't die. So that is always I good thing. 8.6 Hours. Hope to solo on Thursday.

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