Hiring of outside instructors

[BrettInLJ]

How often does ATP hire intructors that have not gone through the career program or the complete CFI program? For example if I were to get a CFI from another school, and do my CFII/MEI add-on there, and met their standards, would they ever consider me for an instructor position?

[GaTechKid]

Most likely not

[jaxpilot]

I was lucky to get on and I did both the multi add on and the CFI program. I dont think they consider you unless you do at least the CFI program.

[BrettInLJ]

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I was lucky to get on and I did both the multi add on and the CFI program. I dont think they consider you unless you do at least the CFI program.

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You say you were lucky. Is it very hard then to become an instructor at ATP if you don't go through the whole program? I'm starting to wonder if ATP is even a viable option to me.

[GaTechKid]

If you take ATP's CFII/MEI program for the outside chance of working for them, you'll be doing it for the wrong reason.

[BrettInLJ]

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If you take ATP's CFII/MEI program for the outside chance of working for them, you'll be doing it for the wrong reason.

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The right reason is the fact that it is a fixed cost and an accelerated, intense program that you finish in a prescribed amount of time, correct?

As far as the quality of instruction goes, nothing wrong with ATP, but I can get that at Sunrise Aviation at SNA as well. As far as building ME hours, I would not get that at ATP unless instructing there (since I would not be going through the Career Pilot pogram). So that leaves the points in the above paragraph as the right reasons for the CFI Program if I understand you correctly.

My goal is to learn as much as possible through my experience teaching as a CFI, while helping train others to be great (not just good) pilots at the same time as building the hours I need to qualify me for a job in the regionals or a 135 operation. Doing this by teaching a lot of those hours in a twin would be even better.

[BrianNC]

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If you take ATP's CFII/MEI program for the outside chance of working for them, you'll be doing it for the wrong reason.

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The right reason is the fact that it is a fixed cost and an accelerated, intense program that you finish in a prescribed amount of time, correct?

As far as the quality of instruction goes, nothing wrong with ATP, but I can get that at Sunrise Aviation at SNA as well. As far as building ME hours, I would not get that at ATP unless instructing there (since I would not be going through the Career Pilot pogram). So that leaves the points in the above paragraph as the right reasons for the CFI Program if I understand you correctly.

My goal is to learn as much as possible through my experience teaching as a CFI, while helping train others to be great (not just good) pilots at the same time as building the hours I need to qualify me for a job in the regionals or a 135 operation. Doing this by teaching a lot of those hours in a twin would be even better.

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I don't go to either one, but from all the posts I have seen on the forum, it is not a sure thing to get to instruct with ATP and if you do it can be awhile after graduating. There is even a thread on here somewhere by a buy who graduated from ATP and can't really get any response out of them since he applied to instruct for them.

Mike at Ari Ben gives you two students to instruct as soon as you graduate as a trial (but you are still paid) and if you do all right with those two then you are "officially" hired and given more students. So Ari Ben seems to have the sure instructor job as long as you can prove to be a decent instructor.

[viczx9]

I am an off the street instructor who is presently instructing for the private pilot program at JAX. I did the commercial multi, CFII/MEI courses at ATP last year. I was told that if I didn't do the total CFI program than there is no chance of getting hired to instruct at ATP.

I am told that I will get a seminole position at JAX in 10 days. So yes,you can get hired from off the street as a CFI if you have what they are looking for.

[BobDDuck]

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My goal is to learn as much as possible through my experience teaching as a CFI, while helping train others to be great (not just good) pilots at the same time as building the hours I need to qualify me for a job in the regionals or a 135 operation. Doing this by teaching a lot of those hours in a twin would be even better.

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Ah... such idealism

No really, that's a good goal to have. As for instructing at ATP by just going through the instructor program... Could happen. It has before, but as stated already, it is not that likely.

[maverick2]

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I don't go to either one, but from all the posts I have seen on the forum, it is not a sure thing to get to instruct with ATP and if you do it can be awhile after graduating. There is even a thread on here somewhere by a buy who graduated from ATP and can't really get any response out of them since he applied to instruct for them.

Mike at Ari Ben gives you two students to instruct as soon as you graduate as a trial (but you are still paid) and if you do all right with those two then you are "officially" hired and given more students. So Ari Ben seems to have the sure instructor job as long as you can prove to be a decent instructor.

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If you are looking for ME time and sure job instructing and instructing with lots of ME time involved, AriBen is the place to go. There was a recent post on the Ari forum about this CFI who got TT of 1550 and 1250 in two years at Ari as a CFI and student. Oh yeah, before you get your two trial students, you are required 10hrs of backseating on dual lessons to give you a heads up perspective on instructing. Its not a bad deal, you should check it out.
mucho multi time

[BrettInLJ]

Here is my issue with Ari-Ben: Even with 320 hours and most of my single engine commercial done, I would have to go through the 200-hour pro pilot program and pay around $30,000. Its really hard to justify that. I asked them about options and...

Ari-Ben:
"Brett, Because all of our training's in multi engine you would have to do the 200 hour program to be able to stay on as a flight instructor with us."

Me:
"Would the price of the 200 hour program be the same, even if I already had my Private, Instrument, and Commercial? If not, could you give me an estimate?"

Ari-Ben:
"No, your program would be more cross country hours with your instructor . you would still get a total 200 hours multi plus 10 to 15 hours single. housing would be included for the first three months."

Cost of Multi + CFI Program(15hr) at ATP: $8200
Cost of 200 hours of Ari-Ben time building: $13000
Total: $21,200

Cost of Ari-Ben 200-hour Program: $30,000

So getting the same time and ratings, I would be paying an extra $8,800 for the possibility of instructing there. I think I should heed the advice of several of the members here and not worry about where I am going to instruct, as there are no guarantees. It seems hard to get into instructing at any of these multi-oriented schools unless you start there from scratch or pay the $$$$ as if you did anyway.

[maverick2]

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Here is my issue with Ari-Ben: Even with 320 hours and most of my single engine commercial done, I would have to go through the 200-hour pro pilot program and pay around $30,000. Its really hard to justify that. I asked them about options and...

Ari-Ben:
"Brett, Because all of our training's in multi engine you would have to do the 200 hour program to be able to stay on as a flight instructor with us."

Me:
"Would the price of the 200 hour program be the same, even if I already had my Private, Instrument, and Commercial? If not, could you give me an estimate?"

Ari-Ben:
"No, your program would be more cross country hours with your instructor . you would still get a total 200 hours multi plus 10 to 15 hours single. housing would be included for the first three months."

Cost of Multi + CFI Program(15hr) at ATP: $8200
Cost of 200 hours of Ari-Ben time building: $13000
Total: $21,200

Cost of Ari-Ben 200-hour Program: $30,000

So getting the same time and ratings, I would be paying an extra $8,800 for the possibility of instructing there. I think I should heed the advice of several of the members here and not worry about where I am going to instruct, as there are no guarantees. It seems hard to get into instructing at any of these multi-oriented schools unless you start there from scratch or pay the $$$$ as if you did anyway.

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I see what you mean, Brett. I remember reading somewhere on the forum that Ari was hiring like a year ago. So who knows? Maybe by the time you finish your CFI certs at ATP, Ari or ATP might hire. Just hope for the best and expect the worst. Good luck. Remember, its all a journey.

[Heath]

Just a word from an instructor currently working in JAX. I've seen several instructors hired, as of late, who did their initial training elsewhere and did the instructor training here. With the large outflow of instructors getting hired at the regionals, they've been much more able to hire total instructors who didn't go through the ACPP. That being said, there certainly are no guarantees as hiring at any given time is totally based on the current needs. But, they have found in impossible in the last few weeks to turn out enough career pilots to fill all the vacancies. So your chances are better now than they've ever been.

[Gonzorox]

What kind of hours are present instructors getting per month in the Florida locations. Multi/Single?? What do they pay instructors??

[Cactus_Cutter]

I remember one instructor getting around 160ish single hours in one month when I was there. Not really impossible just arrive early, crack the whip, line up the privates, and come home late.

Last checked whether you log 1 hour or 200 hours a month the pay is the same $1,000/month pre-taxed or $800/month pre-taxed if you live in the barracks.

You will spend most of that $800 in gas waiting in traffic to get to and from the school.

[Gonzorox]

Cool... Thanks for the info!