Skywest to fly for Airtran - Page 7

pat84106 · November 5th, 2009, 19:36

Well, this is good news that we have found homes for ALL the midwest planes but it isn't that big of a deal. I would have been happier if skywest had gotten those 14 rjs for UAL rather than asa.

GaTechKid · November 5th, 2009, 19:48

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Originally Posted by pat84106

Well, this is good news that we have found homes for ALL the midwest planes but it isn't that big of a deal. I would have been happier if skyest had gotten those 14 rjs for UAL rather than asa.

As a SkyWest pilot, I'd like to say that I'm happy that ASA was able to get that flying to prevent any further furloughs.

bike21 · November 5th, 2009, 20:53

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Originally Posted by pat84106

Well, this is good news that we have found homes for ALL the midwest planes but it isn't that big of a deal. I would have been happier if skywest had gotten those 14 rjs for UAL rather than asa.

Keep looking out for #1 only and let me know how that goes for you.

jynxyjoe · November 5th, 2009, 21:29

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Originally Posted by A-300F4-622R

My job pays better than yours because mine is not an entry level job.

Yeah I would say, "that isn't the case either," but Wheelsup has been doing a great job so far.

Anyhow, it's interesting to watch you run yourself in circles. You've got some great insight into some things, but obviously not into why things are the way they are on the regional level.

MikeD · November 5th, 2009, 21:43

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Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Yeah I would say, "that isn't the case either," but Wheelsup has been doing a great job so far.

Anyhow, it's interesting to watch you run yourself in circles. You've got some great insight into some things, but obviously not into why things are the way they are on the regional level.

Cliffnotes-wise, why are things how they are at the regional level then, if not a supply/demand type issue?

wheelsup · November 5th, 2009, 21:48

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Cliffnotes-wise, why are things how they are at the regional level then, if not a supply/demand type issue?

RFP's and whipsawing results in little leverage to raise wages significantly.

surreal1221 · November 5th, 2009, 22:13

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Originally Posted by pat84106

Well, this is good news that we have found homes for ALL the midwest planes but it isn't that big of a deal. I would have been happier if skywest had gotten those 14 rjs for UAL rather than asa.

lol

jynxyjoe · November 5th, 2009, 22:13

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

RFP's and whipsawing results in little leverage to raise wages significantly.

This seems much more logical to me MikeD.

A-300F4-622R has proven to be a very wise man (he's got only 104 posts and they are, nearly all, exacting and lucid) and theres a lot of things I've seen him say that have educated me and he is very good at expressing himself. I'm just lost when he talks on this thread, maybe I'm just not smart enough to see it on his level.

With respect to A-300F4-622R, it seems like he's just ignoring Wheels points when Wheelsup is asking great questions about his hypothesis. It's disconcerting to me.

pat84106 · November 5th, 2009, 22:19

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Originally Posted by bike21

Keep looking out for #1 only and let me know how that goes for you.

Why shouldn't I? At the end of the day "Looking out for" lets say an xjt pilot will do what for me?

Rocketman99 · November 5th, 2009, 22:41

Looking out for other pilots will help you not be a large d-bag and maybe be part of the solution instead of the problem. There is a world outside of your own and it doesn't revolve around you.

A-300F4-622R · November 5th, 2009, 23:08

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Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Yeah I would say, "that isn't the case either," but Wheelsup has been doing a great job so far.

Anyhow, it's interesting to watch you run yourself in circles. You've got some great insight into some things, but obviously not into why things are the way they are on the regional level.

Having been fortunate enough to not work for a regional, I don't have first hand knowledge of what it's like. I just comment on what I see commercialing around the country, talking to friends who worked at regionals and what I read online. What's going on at the regional level doesn't affect me personally, but I'm concerned for the new generation of pilots and hope to steer them in the proper direction.

A-300F4-622R · November 5th, 2009, 23:10

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

RFP's and whipsawing results in little leverage to raise wages significantly.

True, but you guys WILLINGLY taking jobs that pay what they do, is part of the problem too.

Doug Taylor · November 5th, 2009, 23:14

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Originally Posted by A-300F4-622R

True, but you guys WILLINGLY taking jobs that pay what they do, is part of the problem too.

Well, I wouldn't necessarily go THAT far.

I took a low-paying job at Skyway because back in the day, a couple years flying a 1900 and I could apply for a major.

It paid crap, but they didn't require that I spend $10,000 for ATR training at Continental Express.

Naturally the game has changed today and we're all going to work to fix it...

Somehow

You in?

Bumblebee · November 5th, 2009, 23:20

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Originally Posted by A-300F4-622R

1985 flying canceled checks, PA-60 Aerostar, $23,000/yr. Decent benefits.

From what I've read (and I am relatively new to this whole thing) this was essentially the regional model at that time as well...flying small turboprops for about that much, until you could move on. When you went to UPS what was the rate then?

Unfortunately, the game changed in the passenger hauling world, and the box haulers (with the right companies) ended up with great gigs...

Baronman · November 5th, 2009, 23:24

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Originally Posted by pat84106

Well, this is good news that we have found homes for ALL the midwest planes but it isn't that big of a deal. I would have been happier if skywest had gotten those 14 rjs for UAL rather than asa.

Flamebait? As are other posts IMO....While probably 50% think this, only flamers come on to message boards to write it and stir the pot.

And on that topic...In the equilibrium that it the Skywest Inc, I think ASA pilots have more to fear from Skywest Airlines then the other way around. Good for ASA...

Doug Taylor · November 5th, 2009, 23:27

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Originally Posted by Baronman

Flamebait? As are other posts IMO....While probably 50% think this, only flamers come on to message boards to write it and stir the pot.

Oooh, hmm... linky

N826AW · November 5th, 2009, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Oooh, hmm... linky

Linky FAIL

Doug Taylor · November 5th, 2009, 23:34

Ooh, guess my search result expired, just a sec.

Oh, nice Airliners.net link, Waldo!

(Nah, I go there daily too)

Try it again as it's been phixed.

jynxyjoe · November 5th, 2009, 23:41

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Originally Posted by Baronman

Flamebait? As are other posts IMO....While probably 50% think this, only flamers come on to message boards to write it and stir the pot.

And on that topic...In the equilibrium that it the Skywest Inc, I think ASA pilots have more to fear from Skywest Airlines then the other way around. Good for ASA...

Hehe. One of my favorite flamebaits off dougie fresh's link

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Originally Posted by pat84106

Don't ever do any favors for UAL pilots they are the first group to stick a shank in your back when they get the chance.

Baronman · November 5th, 2009, 23:41

I'll take it back...not all are baiting..I'll say he has a PASSION for SKYW and it shows. Not the most constructive comments but then again I'm frequently guilty of the same.

Speaking of links..."3 Guys...." the first thing that came to my mind was that we caught you with "2 Girls...One cup." Now that would have been funny!

Doug Taylor · November 5th, 2009, 23:43

Perhaps his link is "Three Guys One Skirt Steak"?

I'm almost afraid to ask.

A-300F4-622R · November 5th, 2009, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Well, I wouldn't necessarily go THAT far.

I took a low-paying job at Skyway because back in the day, a couple years flying a 1900 and I could apply for a major.

It paid crap, but they didn't require that I spend $10,000 for ATR training at Continental Express.

Naturally the game has changed today and we're all going to work to fix it...

Somehow

You in?

You used the regionals exactly for what they were intended to be used for. The problem is that the rules have changed.

cencal83406 · November 5th, 2009, 23:59

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Originally Posted by A-300F4-622R

You used the regionals exactly for what they were intended to be used for. The problem is that the rules have changed.

By senior major airline Captains more interested in the "they got theirs" mentality and not protecting the junior pilot group, or the profession.

Heck, we're starting to see the beginnings of the "Captains Union" here at Peanuckle....

Easton14 · November 6th, 2009, 00:04

Q and A

http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2118

jynxyjoe · November 6th, 2009, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Easton14

Q and A

http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2118

ty man

November 5th, 2009, 19:36	#151
pat84106 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SLC Posts: 62	Re: Skywest to fly for Airtran Well, this is good news that we have found homes for ALL the midwest planes but it isn't that big of a deal. I would have been happier if skywest had gotten those 14 rjs for UAL rather than asa. Last edited by pat84106; November 5th, 2009 at 19:48.

November 5th, 2009, 22:41	#160
Rocketman99 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Trapped in the sEWeR Posts: 1,289	Re: Skywest to fly for Airtran Looking out for other pilots will help you not be a large d-bag and maybe be part of the solution instead of the problem. There is a world outside of your own and it doesn't revolve around you. __________________ NKAWTG...N! Colgan pays enough to keep you sullen and not mutinous. - Mel

November 5th, 2009, 23:34	#168
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Skywest to fly for Airtran Ooh, guess my search result expired, just a sec. Oh, nice Airliners.net link, Waldo! (Nah, I go there daily too) Try it again as it's been phixed. __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed Last edited by Doug Taylor; November 5th, 2009 at 23:36.

November 5th, 2009, 23:41	#170
Baronman Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,558	Re: Skywest to fly for Airtran I'll take it back...not all are baiting..I'll say he has a PASSION for SKYW and it shows. Not the most constructive comments but then again I'm frequently guilty of the same. Speaking of links..."3 Guys...." the first thing that came to my mind was that we caught you with "2 Girls...One cup." Now that would have been funny! __________________ "I got a FEVER, and the only perscription is more Cow-Bell!"

November 5th, 2009, 23:43	#171
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Skywest to fly for Airtran Perhaps his link is "Three Guys One Skirt Steak"? I'm almost afraid to ask. __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

November 6th, 2009, 00:04	#174
Easton14 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 59	Re: Skywest to fly for Airtran Q and A http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2118

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