Jumpseat expectations during an emergency

ozziecat35 · November 2nd, 2009, 19:21

I'm not an airline pilot, but was curious if there are any written expectations within CASS or just an unwritten code of conduct for pilots of other airlines riding JS during an emergency. Is the JS'er expected to stay our of the way? Or is the mantra, 6 eyes are better than 4, is better than 2?

TUCKnTRUCK · November 2nd, 2009, 19:32

I expect the js'r to fly while I and the crew bail out... Duh

honestly, as a rider, I'm going to be ready to help out, grab the radios and such... But I'm not going to get in the way trying to help out. I expect about the same. Once we reach a point where we can coordinate I'll try to get them involved. What I don't want is a guy in the back trying to drive

calcapt · November 2nd, 2009, 20:12

I would personally expect any pilot in my jumpseat to be an integral part of managing any emergency. The possibilities are endless, but I can assure you that his/her abilities would be fully utilized. This also applies to any Flight Attendant jumpseater as well. One would be foolish to disregard the extra level of vigilance and any assistance they could provide. Ask Captain Al Haynes about the value of an extra body on the flight deck....

BobDDuck · November 2nd, 2009, 20:35

I was on a Delta 737 jumpseat during an emergency divert due to a leaking hydraulic line. My job was to tear stuff off the ACARS printer as it came out.

SpiraMirabilis · November 2nd, 2009, 23:22

Depends on the aircraft, some the JS might have to get out first, others last (if you use the hatch, etc.) Theres usually a briefing card that you read as the JS.

Clocks · November 2nd, 2009, 23:49

As soon as it seemed appropriate I would remind the crew I'm available if they need me. Then I'd wait for something to be delegated to me and only speak when nessesary.

Boris Badenov · November 3rd, 2009, 02:15

Used to get SWA jumpseaters in the mu-2 every once in a while. The brief was basically please don't touch anything cause I'm used to doing it all myself and am easily confused, but tell me if I'm doing something stupid and if we survive you have to get me a job

NC_BE300 · November 3rd, 2009, 09:07

Alot of captains will brief what their expectations are during the "welcome onboard the jumpseat" speech.

A running joke though is that its senority first when time for an evacuation

But that won't be the case is a particular person is WAAYYYYY to big to fit out the hatch, or whatever exit at all, or in a quick fashion. If that is the case-i'll be outside probably before they can waddle out of a seat.

And in the case of an water ditching.....with the above situation.....be sure to go outside first to "asses the situation-check for sharks".....and then cut the fat guy so that the sharks go after them first while you swim away

JaceTheAce · November 3rd, 2009, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris Badenov

Used to get SWA jumpseaters in the mu-2 every once in a while. The brief was basically please don't touch anything cause I'm used to doing it all myself and am easily confused, but tell me if I'm doing something stupid and if we survive you have to get me a job

Jumpseating on the MU-2? Was it some sort of cargo operation you were working at?

Boris Badenov · November 3rd, 2009, 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Jumpseating on the MU-2? Was it some sort of cargo operation you were working at?

Yeah check hauling. Air 1st, out of Tulsa aka "Rough Rider". Pretty much gone now.

LineCheck · November 4th, 2009, 01:02

You're expected to act like an extra crew member. I've been asked to do anything from tearing ACARS papers, to pulling CB's.

This ties more into the etiquette side, but I try to sit back and make them forget that i'm on board. I only talk if they start a conversation or ask a question etc. I dont want to be the reason they hesitate to give someone else from my company a ride.

ChasenSFO · November 4th, 2009, 04:12

All I have to add is on the cards that print out on the UA computers when I put you through CASS, it says you are an "OMC". or Other Member of the Crew. That being the case, I would understand you do as you're asked in any situation.

ozziecat35 · November 4th, 2009, 13:11

Thanks for the replies, that's about what I expected.

November 2nd, 2009, 19:21	#1
ozziecat35 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: KGEU / KGYR Posts: 252	Jumpseat expectations during an emergency I'm not an airline pilot, but was curious if there are any written expectations within CASS or just an unwritten code of conduct for pilots of other airlines riding JS during an emergency. Is the JS'er expected to stay our of the way? Or is the mantra, 6 eyes are better than 4, is better than 2? __________________ Small Airplane Thingy.... Cloudy Permission Thingy.... -On the coast of somewhere beautiful.

November 2nd, 2009, 19:32	#2
TUCKnTRUCK Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MHT Posts: 671	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency I expect the js'r to fly while I and the crew bail out... Duh honestly, as a rider, I'm going to be ready to help out, grab the radios and such... But I'm not going to get in the way trying to help out. I expect about the same. Once we reach a point where we can coordinate I'll try to get them involved. What I don't want is a guy in the back trying to drive

November 2nd, 2009, 20:12	#3
calcapt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 1,336	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency I would personally expect any pilot in my jumpseat to be an integral part of managing any emergency. The possibilities are endless, but I can assure you that his/her abilities would be fully utilized. This also applies to any Flight Attendant jumpseater as well. One would be foolish to disregard the extra level of vigilance and any assistance they could provide. Ask Captain Al Haynes about the value of an extra body on the flight deck.... __________________ Booked on the westbound

November 2nd, 2009, 20:35	#4
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 7,047	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency I was on a Delta 737 jumpseat during an emergency divert due to a leaking hydraulic line. My job was to tear stuff off the ACARS printer as it came out. __________________ The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

November 2nd, 2009, 23:22	#5
SpiraMirabilis Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency Depends on the aircraft, some the JS might have to get out first, others last (if you use the hatch, etc.) Theres usually a briefing card that you read as the JS. __________________ Yet Another Freight Puppy*

November 2nd, 2009, 23:49	#6
Clocks Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hired 11/07. Furloughed 10/08 Posts: 2,337	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency As soon as it seemed appropriate I would remind the crew I'm available if they need me. Then I'd wait for something to be delegated to me and only speak when nessesary. __________________ All of my posts are edited by my staff.

November 3rd, 2009, 02:15	#7
Boris Badenov Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: A-Town Down Posts: 2,737	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency Used to get SWA jumpseaters in the mu-2 every once in a while. The brief was basically please don't touch anything cause I'm used to doing it all myself and am easily confused, but tell me if I'm doing something stupid and if we survive you have to get me a job __________________ JCQR 8,023 "An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur?" - Axel Oxenstierna

November 3rd, 2009, 09:07	#8
NC_BE300 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: JFK Posts: 616	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency Alot of captains will brief what their expectations are during the "welcome onboard the jumpseat" speech. A running joke though is that its senority first when time for an evacuation But that won't be the case is a particular person is WAAYYYYY to big to fit out the hatch, or whatever exit at all, or in a quick fashion. If that is the case-i'll be outside probably before they can waddle out of a seat. And in the case of an water ditching.....with the above situation.....be sure to go outside first to "asses the situation-check for sharks".....and then cut the fat guy so that the sharks go after them first while you swim away

November 4th, 2009, 01:02	#11
LineCheck Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 6	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency You're expected to act like an extra crew member. I've been asked to do anything from tearing ACARS papers, to pulling CB's. This ties more into the etiquette side, but I try to sit back and make them forget that i'm on board. I only talk if they start a conversation or ask a question etc. I dont want to be the reason they hesitate to give someone else from my company a ride.

November 4th, 2009, 04:12	#12
ChasenSFO Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SFO Posts: 1,340	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency All I have to add is on the cards that print out on the UA computers when I put you through CASS, it says you are an "OMC". or Other Member of the Crew. That being the case, I would understand you do as you're asked in any situation. __________________ The term "First Officer" was invented because Les Abend is never second.

November 4th, 2009, 13:11	#13
ozziecat35 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: KGEU / KGYR Posts: 252	Re: Jumpseat expectations during an emergency Thanks for the replies, that's about what I expected. __________________ Small Airplane Thingy.... Cloudy Permission Thingy.... -On the coast of somewhere beautiful.

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