The PSA International Destination is..........

[joliet]

Well it hasn't been announced yet has it? Someone said on the ALPA board they would announce it today.

Jussssssssst curious.

[chris]

Montreal!

Just kidding, I really dont have a clue.

[ChasenSFO]

White Horse.


Ok, probably not.

[ASpilot2be]

Originally Posted by ChasenSFO

White Horse.


Ok, probably not.

There is no way they are going to the Yukon.

[meyers9163]

Oh after speaking with someone in the know.... And like all rumors in which I cannot say as to whom told me. However they are in Management (not Joe R) and met with a certain VP of Operations today.... And I was informed some Bahamas location 2 times a day, 7 days a week....

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Oh after speaking with someone in the know.... And like all rumors in which I cannot say as to whom told me. However they are in Management (not Joe R) and met with a certain VP of Operations today.... And I was informed some Bahamas location 2 times a day, 7 days a week....

I'd have to say FPO (Freeport) They're going to try and compete with Delta(Comair) which is doing JFK-FPO. No overnights for the crews though.

[BobDDuck]

That or NAS. PSA used to do it twice a day on Saturdays only. It was more of a pain in the ass than anything else. 30 minute turn there followed by an hour + turn back in CLT to clear customs and what not.

[Trip7]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

That or NAS. PSA used to do it twice a day on Saturdays only. It was more of a pain in the ass than anything else. 30 minute turn there followed by an hour + turn back in CLT to clear customs and what not.

Our Canada and Bahamas routes have passengers pre-cleared in customs at the outstation.

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by Trip7

Our Canada and Bahamas routes have passengers pre-cleared in customs at the outstation.

Precisely. Only the bags need to be screened by TSA and only if they are transferring to another flight. That's how we do it here in CVG and did in MCO.

[BobDDuck]

Actually Exuma doesn't have pre clearance.

[Polar742]

Either way, a 30 min turn gets drug out to 45-60 and it still sucks on the last day, and especially the last turn.

Good luck!!!

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Polar742

Either way, a 30 min turn gets drug out to 45-60 and it still sucks on the last day, and especially the last turn.

Good luck!!!

I'd rather just not do it period. I rather they stay with mainline doing them and thus a better pay and a good out and back. But I guess I would rather see PSA pick it up then RAH/Mesa etc....

[Polar742]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

I'd rather just not do it period. I rather they stay with mainline doing them and thus a better pay and a good out and back. But I guess I would rather see PSA pick it up then RAH/Mesa etc....

While that's all noble and what not, why are you telling me this? What purpose did that statement serve? Was there knowledge that you passed to me that I did not know?

Anyway, let's talk about real stuff, since you want that path.

First, your organization is in a serious hurt right now. How do I know this? I was talking to a friend that flies for the "mainline" side of things, and is quite worried about not receiving a paycheck around the first of the year.

Second, the Beijing slots were turned in. You can forget the whole "yeah, but they told the DOT they want the right to get them back thing." International ops don't work like domestic. The whole false start a station deal that works fine in the states, doesn't do so well overseas. Those slots, for a service that never began, are gone. Of course, with no aircraft to operate them, the mere holding of a slot is worthless. No one, other than LCC, wants that pairing. FWIW, that's not transferable either. The city pair would need renegotiated if they wanted to do CLT-PEK.

Third, being that the parent is in a cash crunch, and there is no more expansion at any of the carriers, this will either be "route finding" if no mainline jet serves the market, a seasonal service that a premium can be charged for, yet won't support a mainline jet, or it's moving a mainline jet to a more profitable route.

Fourth, you are owned by LCC. You should be more upset that you aren't on one list with them. Why weren't you integrated when AmWest bought the airline? Is your 121 flying a different standard from their 121 flying?

Those are things you should worry about. Not repeating the same, "yeah, I wish mainline would get that flying" crap over and over and over. We all get it.

Especially those of us that watched mainline evolve from a 1-2 year pay hit to a 10+ year pay hit for the same work.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Polar742

While that's all noble and what not, why are you telling me this? What purpose did that statement serve? Was there knowledge that you passed to me that I did not know?

Ok USairways folds? I go back to school and get a Masters? Its not only PSA, PDT USairways... It'd be Mesa, AWAC, RAH etc... They fold, they all get hurt badly. So whomever your mainline friend is, last time I checked they are getting paid and their checks are clearing. Maybe it will change who knows, but it could change for any of the "Majors." Did someone at the end of the day wake up on the wrong side of the bed??? Why would I be GLAD and GIDDY about gaining flying that was mainline flying??? Or becomming a "Super Regional" like some others appear to be happy about??? Hell with that.... I rather go back to school if things turn that bad soon. If it happens it happens. Other then that its a ride and you cannot be worried if they are going to fold tomorrow. However be prepared to make the right steps if something does happen....

[Polar742]

I'll help with some paragraphs....

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Ok USairways folds? I go back to school and get a Masters?

It's not all about you.

Its not only PSA, PDT USairways... It'd be Mesa, AWAC, RAH etc... They fold, they all get hurt badly.

Agreed.

So whomever your mainline friend is, last time I checked they are getting paid and their checks are clearing. Maybe it will change who knows, but it could change for any of the "Majors."

It was a euphemism for the fact he thinks he's on the street come January or February. It wasn't a blanket statement. It was a pointed statement that reflects the current condition of your employer by someone who works there. He thinks LCC will be bought up by a certain airline.

Did someone at the end of the day wake up on the wrong side of the bed???

This really doesn't make any sense.

Why would I be GLAD and GIDDY about gaining flying that was mainline flying??? Or becomming a "Super Regional" like some others appear to be happy about???

I have no idea what you're getting at here, other than you're trying to make a populist appeal to bolster your argument.

The mere point I was making is that there are different reasons your airline could be getting this flying. I was trying to point out that HOPEFULLY they can move some airplanes around and maximize revenues for the company. CAL and DAL have done that with much success.

Hell with that.... I rather go back to school if things turn that bad soon. If it happens it happens. Other then that its a ride and you cannot be worried if they are going to fold tomorrow. However be prepared to make the right steps if something does happen....

Well, at least you have a plan if stuff goes to crap.

Good luck either way.

[meyers9163]

You are right its not all about me. However for anyone in this industry to not have a back up plan is rather foolish. Hell for anyone who is employed right now to not have a back up plan would be sort of foolish. I dont know as to why your friend would feel he's going to be on the street. ITS been mentioned before and more so now that there's absolutely zero chance that one side of Airways can be sold and split in two. Those are the only rumors being sent around right now with this place. That was sort of put to rest in the state of the Airline report this past quarter. Now could that be false? Absolutely just like they said this summer they had zero intentions of closing LAS.

It would appear as if Parker and his group are TRYING to make the right moves. Keeping some 737s and not getting some airbuses to save money. You could also argue that it would mean they have a weak cash position right now and would be right as well. But then again who really stands strong right now among the big five? UAL? AA? DAL? CAL??? They ALL have issues right now. SO it would be unfair to simply point a finger at Airways and say they are under more pressure then any of the others.....

You are right though, it does seem odd to shrink the international routes. HOWEVER someone who has a lot of time has calculated those routes in which they are cutting would have saved MILLIONS due to the amount they lost (somehow) on those routes. And thus by cutting them perhaps they can turn those millions lost on those routes into less dollars spent and thus putting them back on track to make a profit.... We all say you cannot shrink to become a profitable airline. Perhaps thats true. But if you continue to run routes in which you are losing money, just to run them and prevent from shrinking seems sort of foolish as well.


The whole China route is another topic... According to them its a route that has proven to have demand weakend greatly... I have never been on such route but it makes sense. Their economy as well has tanked. So for the time being not opening a route in which you believe is going to LOSE money for the sake of doing it, seems to be the right move.... However with that you forget they are going to start some other routes that are predicted to bring a profit. CLT to Hawaii being one on a 767. In addition CLT-RIO in a 767 as well. It would appear that a lot of these NEW cutes by Airways are due to the E190 reduction and not due to the international shrinking... I could be way OFF with that. And do not know and I dont think many of us would know.

At the end of the day, I will show up, do my time, go home when I am told I can go home and do it again the next time my name is called. I wish you could feel safe and know nothings going to happen but for anyone to do such seems foolish... And thus I rather just enjoy things day by day... Whatever happens is going to happen. There's VERY little I can do to prevent anything..