And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated

[Baronman]

Originally Posted by CamYZ125

I strongly doubt it.

I doubt much hiring will be going on anywhere any time soon...

Why wouldn't an Alpa carrier try to get furloughed pilots? That is after the ranks of 600hr pilots get hired of course ;-)

[surreal1221]

I know our contract had an LOA for preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.

Although, most were dated back when the majors were furloughing left and right post-9/11. Who knows if our MEC will seek to offer the same assistance to our furloughed MAG ALPA brothers and sisters.

Originally Posted by joliet

ALL training classes means total shut down?

In reference to transition classes. I would imagine they're still running recurrent as required by federal law.

[SpiraMirabilis]

All the training classes were cancelled because
1) Most of the people going through training will be furloughed
2) Mesa can't afford it.

On the plus side the people who were downgraded and going through FO training keep captain pay... until... well, their last paycheck will be at CA rates probably!

[bike21]

Originally Posted by mrivc211

Thats cuz you work for SkyWest and can't afford it. Hehe. Sorry, couldnt resist.

Damn skippy

[A-300F4-622R]

Originally Posted by Trip7

Mesa will have 96 aircraft in operation with 63 spares beginning in April. Looks like the life line will go flat soon. Good luck to all the employees. I strongly believe any airline that takes over Mesa flying and proceeds to hire because of it, will give Mesa employees preferential interviews.

Except for Go! Isn't Mesa's flying regional feed, therefore no flying that Mesa "owns". Why should they get preference over other applicants?

[falconvalley]

Originally Posted by Trip7

I strongly believe any airline that takes over Mesa flying and proceeds to hire because of it, will give Mesa employees preferential interviews.

I strongly disagree. Every airline is different. Yes, there are a few out there that will say that furloughed employees will be interviewed if they wish, but I've seen some do and some don't, so no, not just any airline.

[Bradeku1008]

If they go Chapt. 7 then Skywest, and Gojet for the United flying still have pilots in a pool to burn through before they hire..Airlines like PSA and PDT for Airways still have pilots on furlough and in a pool to burn through as well. On the Delta side Comair has alot on furlough and once again a pool to go through. So there might not be alot of hiring for a while.

[joliet]

Originally Posted by Bradeku1008

If they go Chapt. 7 then Skywest, and Gojet for the United flying still have pilots in a pool to burn through before they hire..Airlines like PSA and PDT for Airways still have pilots on furlough and in a pool to burn through as well. On the Delta side Comair has alot on furlough and once again a pool to go through. So there might not be alot of hiring for a while.

Pretty much. The workforce is there.

[Trip7]

I don't know of any regional airline that will be able to staff Mesa's flying without hiring IF they go Chap. 7 unless it is divided up into parts and given to something like 6 or 7 regionals:

96 Airplanes will remain in revenue service after April:

CRJ 200 - 10 USAir
CRJ 700 - 20 UAL
CRJ 900 - 38 USAir
ERJ 145 - 22 Delta
DCH 8 - 6 USAir

Add the 28 CRJ 200 UAL flying that is not being renewed and the 10 DCH-8 in Denver.

I'm guessing the UAL RFP is for a complete replacement of Mesa. I bet the winner will hire.
Also, IF the 38 USAir 900 flying goes up for grabs whoever gets that will have to hire IMO.

[Socal321]

Thank you for the analysis. Now we know what will happen IF they no longer exist.

[Socal321]

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

All the training classes were cancelled because
1) Most of the people going through training will be furloughed
2) Mesa can't afford it.
!

That means there's a strong possibility of out of seniority furloughs if they file BK. But then again if they do file bk it would mean downsizing anyways. I don't know what their contract says about out of seniority furloughs but I'd be woried if I was in an airframe that is not wanted by management. Am I right?

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by Socal321

That means there's a strong possibility of out of seniority furloughs if they file BK. But then again if they do file bk it would mean downsizing anyways. I don't know what their contract says about out of seniority furloughs but I'd be woried if I was in an airframe that is not wanted by management. Am I right?

If they don't get DIP financing, there won't be any downsizing or out of order anything; as every single MAG employee will be on the street and everything will be up for reposession or sale.

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

If they don't get DIP financing, there won't be any downsizing or out of order anything; as every single MAG employee will be on the street and everything will be up for reposession or sale.

Jesus. Is it really that bad a situation?

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Jesus. Is it really that bad a situation?

Yes.

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Yes.

What the hell is going on at that place anyway? I get it I'm dumb sometimes.

They are cheap, they beat the hell outa pilots. Is mainline jealous?

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Jesus. Is it really that bad a situation?

That's worst case. DIP(Debtor In Possession) financing is the make or break when it comes to corporate bankruptcy. It allows the company to retain ownership and control over its assets, which is Ch.11. If you don't get DIP financing they have to surrender it's non-exempt property(leased aircraft are exempt assets) to a banckrupcy trustee, that liquidates those assets and uses the proceeds to pay off the debtor's unsecured creditors.

[surreal1221]

Dear MAG Pilots:

Over the past several months, we have been reporting that our United DH8
and CRJ-200 contracts were at risk to expire on April 30, 2010.

Last week, United served us official notice of their intent not to renew
our DH8 contract and alternatively did not provide notice extend the CRJ
- 200 contract. Given this news, we have decided to stop ground training
at this time while we evaluate our fleet plan and staffing needs (this
does not include recurrent ground training).

All pending future training dates are also canceled, except for
recurrent training.

Attached to this memo is a list of all pilots affected by this
announcement.

* If you are returning to your former equipment and seat, Crew
Scheduling will contact you within the next 48 hours to build you a
schedule - assignment of open time if your seniority permits, and/or
scheduled reserve days. We realize that some pilots would have otherwise
held a hard line and that sitting reserve is less undesirable. In order
to remedy this unique situation, we will offer Long Call reserve without
the typical requirement for pay guarantee reductions, to those pilots
who are assigned reserve. Additionally, these affected pilots may choose
select trips from open time and build a combination of trips and Long or
Short call reserve days, seniority permitting.

* If you were downgraded to FO status from CA without any training
requirement, and if you are now are returning to CA status, you will fly
your awarded FO line at CA pay rates.

* If you who were scheduled to begin training during the month of
November, and your training is now cancelled, you will fly your awarded
schedule through the scheduled training start date, and will be provided
the opportunity to sit as Long Call reserve as mentioned above, choosing
select open time trips, or a combination of trips and reserve days, or
all reserve days, seniority permitting.

* If you are moving between Freedom and Mesa certificates, we will
contact you individually after we determine if you will need to be
processed again for a background check.

If you were affected by this announcement and your circumstances were
not addressed, please contact Standing Bid as soon as possible so that we can resolve your situation. It is our intent to resolve each situation

quickly, fairly and consistently.

This is certainly a difficult situation for our company and we are doing
our best to work our way through this challenge. We understand your
concerns and apologize for any inconvenience this necessary operational
decision may have caused. More information will be provided as that information becomes available.


Please contact your Regional Chief Pilot, or any member of the Flight
Operations Management team if you have further questions or need
clarification.

Regards,

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

What the hell is going on at that place anyway? I get it I'm dumb sometimes.

They are cheap, they beat the hell outa pilots. Is mainline jealous?

What's going on? I have no clue, perhaps one of the MAG pilots can speak about that.

What most of us have known for a while now though is that they (the company - not frontline employees) haven't been too wise in the operation of the company. First they step on the toes of Daddy Delta, get roped into a protracted legal fight, and yet they're still pouring money into it.

Second, ah hell. . .I don't have a real second. . .

Third, it's been known for sometime now that they were not in great financial shape overall. The reduction of 36 flying aircraft has been perceived as the final nail in the coffin for what is (was) Mesa Air Group. And it wasn't a secret that United wasn't going to renew the CRJ flying and was pretty well understood they would terminate the Dash flying. Their 10-Q filing referenced the lack of capital and how losing this flying would jeopardize the long term operation of the company. The curtain is coming down on Mesa Air Group.

JO wasn't as smart as he thought he was. But he'll surely be able to ride off into the distance, sneaking his way onto a Board of Directors for a regional airline near you soon. . .

It's a shame really, for the employees.

[Polar742]

Didn't a similar scenario occur in the late 90s, and that contraction allowed SkyWest to operate all those brasillias for UAL?

That's when they had the UPS driver uniforms on the West Coast....

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Second, ah hell. . .I don't have a real second. . .

Lol, God I love you little guy.

On a side note, after JO leaves we need to round up a posse and find ourselves a tree.

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by Polar742

Didn't a similar scenario occur in the late 90s, and that contraction allowed SkyWest to operate all those brasillias for UAL?

That's when they had the UPS driver uniforms on the West Coast....

Yes. This is the second time MAG has lost flying from UA.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Lol, God I love you little guy.

On a side note, after JO leaves we need to round up a posse and find ourselves a tree.

<3

[Polar742]

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

Yes. This is the second time MAG has lost flying from UA.

Good to know I have some memory left.....

Thanks Bubba

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Lol, God I love you little guy.

On a side note, after JO leaves we need to round up a posse and find ourselves a tree.

We could just kidnap him and dump him in Orange Mound......

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

We could just kidnap him and dump him in Orange Mound......

I'm guessing that's a really bad neighborhood in MEM?