And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated - Page 5

ChasenSFO · November 2nd, 2009, 04:20

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Originally Posted by Table Two

So, I hear Mesa lost their Dash flying?

That was SO 3 pages ago, keep up man!

CamYZ125 · November 2nd, 2009, 23:30

It's official... No more -200 flying for United by Mesa.

surreal1221 · November 2nd, 2009, 23:38

Good luck guys.

Heard they canceled all training classes as well.

stuckingfk · November 2nd, 2009, 23:38

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Originally Posted by CamYZ125

It's official... No more -200 flying for United by Mesa.

Sorry for the guys that will lose their jobs but this is a win for passengers.

Refusing to fix APUs in the summer and having numerous cancellations during nice weather is unacceptable.

joliet · November 2nd, 2009, 23:40

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

Good luck guys.

Heard they canceled all training classes as well.

ALL training classes means total shut down?

meyers9163 · November 2nd, 2009, 23:42

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Originally Posted by CamYZ125

It's official... No more -200 flying for United by Mesa.

Just heard that as well. Also did the 700 option expire now as well at the end of the month? Wonder what the next step is now...

SpiraMirabilis · November 2nd, 2009, 23:44

The 700 option was to replace 2 200s for 1 700, so if theres no more 200s it wouldn't apply unless a new agreement was made.

CamYZ125 · November 2nd, 2009, 23:44

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Originally Posted by meyers9163

Just heard that as well. Also did the 700 option expire now as well at the end of the month? Wonder what the next step is now...

No idea. Probably bankruptcy.

It amazes me that Mesa was a 2200+ pilot airline a few short years ago, and will now be well under 1000. Great leadership, eh?

SpiraMirabilis · November 2nd, 2009, 23:45

Definitely bankruptcy... at least I think so. The lease return penalty is supposed to be pretty high, which will mean the end of the ERJs for DL as well.

joliet · November 3rd, 2009, 00:15

Holy crap.

wheelsup · November 3rd, 2009, 00:23

Did mesa just implode?

CamYZ125 · November 3rd, 2009, 00:34

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

Did mesa just implode?

Haha.. it kind of seems that way. That's a big hit to lose 35+ airplanes. And I doubt it will stop at that... This may be what everyone has been hoping and wishing for all these years.

JumpWake · November 3rd, 2009, 00:39

Damn. Good luck guys.

Baronman · November 3rd, 2009, 01:09

I don't see any announcement stating that UAL intends to cancel CRJ flying by Mesa.

Sure, they have to give notice if they want to continue.....Mesa can consider themselves free to operate those planes however they wish in 180 days. But I'd say at any point in the next 180 days if United wished to continue their use, Mesa would be more than happy to do so.

I'd wait till either Mesa or United gives a press release/SEC filing before saying that the flying is gone and Mesa is destined for BK.

adreamer · November 3rd, 2009, 01:09

Good Luck for whoever are affected by...

CrippleHawk · November 3rd, 2009, 02:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0

This song coms to mind now for me at least. (Dont know how to embed this)

Good luck to all

joliet · November 3rd, 2009, 02:47

Music is explicit, so I guess NSFW.

CrippleHawk · November 3rd, 2009, 03:05

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Originally Posted by stuckingfk

Sorry for the guys that will lose their jobs but this is a win for passengers.

Refusing to fix APUs in the summer and having numerous cancellations during nice weather is unacceptable.

it's not that we refused to fix them it's just that we had no parts.

mrivc211 · November 3rd, 2009, 04:25

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Originally Posted by bike21

+1

(but I ain't making any babies)

Thats cuz you work for SkyWest and can't afford it. Hehe. Sorry, couldnt resist.

mrivc211 · November 3rd, 2009, 04:30

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Originally Posted by Lee D

This rumor has been going the rounds for awhile. (Q400's) I initially also heard the EMB + 5%, but last I heard was it would pay CRJ 50 rates now. (The former would be unacceptable. ) All still rumor, so take with several grains of salt.

Sorry you guys are losing the turboprops.

Good seeing you the other day. So I went to gate E83 to board my flight to SNA and I get a call. Can you do a round trip to ORD? Just as I was about to say no, they said it was for jr man pay and when I did the math, 10 hours of pay for one day, and they gave me a DH home to SNA when I got back. Not too bad, I enjoyed flying the 900 too.

I guess someone probably had a little too much to drink holloween night.

pilotlight · November 3rd, 2009, 08:57

I remember that CRJ's engine being blown off and that they landed safely but does anyone know the cause since a lot of us fly the same plane?

Baronman · November 3rd, 2009, 09:05

Another thought regarding Mesa CRJ contract....why would UAL extend a contract when they now believe they can get more favorable terms? United could renegotiate a more favorable contract given the current environment.

I agree things don't look great for Mesa...I just won't go saying the nail is in the coffin till the hammer is swinging.

Trip7 · November 3rd, 2009, 09:08

Mesa will have 96 aircraft in operation with 63 spares beginning in April. Looks like the life line will go flat soon. Good luck to all the employees. I strongly believe any airline that takes over Mesa flying and proceeds to hire because of it, will give Mesa employees preferential interviews.

CamYZ125 · November 3rd, 2009, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Trip7

I strongly believe any airline that takes over Mesa flying and proceeds to hire because of it, will give Mesa employees preferential interviews.

I strongly doubt it.

zmiller4 · November 3rd, 2009, 09:35

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Originally Posted by mrivc211

Can you do a round trip to ORD? Just as I was about to say no, they said it was for jr man pay and when I did the math, 10 hours of pay for one day, and they gave me a DH home to SNA when I got back.

Score one for you. I love it when they're so desperate that you can start making demands.

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Originally Posted by pilotlight

I remember that CRJ's engine being blown off and that they landed safely but does anyone know the cause since a lot of us fly the same plane?

It had to do with GE's marking of fan blades. From the NTSB:

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Portions of the fan disk were recovered and examination of the fan disk revealed fatigue striations emanating from the aft bore corner of the fan disk. The striations came from an area that exhibited characteristics consistent with arc-out damage, which was the result of improper assembly and marking procedures during the electrochemical etching process. This damage was not detected during the manufacturer's quality assurance process used by the manufacturer. Further, the operator did not detect this damage while conducting the inspections prescribed through required airworthiness directives because the inspection procedures required were not detailed enough to detect the arc-out damage and the maintenance personnel did not receive appropriate training. Following the incident, the manufacturer issued alert service bulletins and the FAA issued an airworthiness directive to resolve these issues.

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...based on reviewing all available assembly and inspection records for CF34 fan disk, it was determined that fan disks marked by one specific operator/assembler had a higher susceptibility of arc-out damage in the fan disk bore, like that found on the incident fan disk

It kind of sounds like one person at GE screwed up. Mesa's inspection program (this problem first came up in 2000 and inspections were mandated) was found to be a contributing factor as well.

November 2nd, 2009, 23:30	#102
CamYZ125 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: KCLT Posts: 593	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated It's official... No more -200 flying for United by Mesa. __________________ http://bestforwardspeed.blogspot.com/

November 2nd, 2009, 23:38	#103
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Away from an Airport Posts: 14,073	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Good luck guys. Heard they canceled all training classes as well. __________________ DoD WxFcstr.AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2.Furloughed \| The TRoP \| ALPA \| APSA \| ACLU \| IVAW \| Acey 80\|

November 2nd, 2009, 23:44	#107
SpiraMirabilis Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated The 700 option was to replace 2 200s for 1 700, so if theres no more 200s it wouldn't apply unless a new agreement was made. __________________ Yet Another Freight Puppy*

November 2nd, 2009, 23:45	#109
SpiraMirabilis Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Definitely bankruptcy... at least I think so. The lease return penalty is supposed to be pretty high, which will mean the end of the ERJs for DL as well. __________________ Yet Another Freight Puppy* Last edited by SpiraMirabilis; November 2nd, 2009 at 23:46.

November 3rd, 2009, 00:15	#110
joliet Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: G Posts: 373	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Holy crap.

November 3rd, 2009, 00:23	#111
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 7,398	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Did mesa just implode? __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

November 3rd, 2009, 00:39	#113
JumpWake Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: RIC Posts: 793	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Damn. Good luck guys. __________________

November 3rd, 2009, 01:09	#114
Baronman Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,559	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated I don't see any announcement stating that UAL intends to cancel CRJ flying by Mesa. Sure, they have to give notice if they want to continue.....Mesa can consider themselves free to operate those planes however they wish in 180 days. But I'd say at any point in the next 180 days if United wished to continue their use, Mesa would be more than happy to do so. I'd wait till either Mesa or United gives a press release/SEC filing before saying that the flying is gone and Mesa is destined for BK. __________________ "I got a FEVER, and the only perscription is more Cow-Bell!"

November 3rd, 2009, 01:09	#115
adreamer Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: AZO Posts: 1,727	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Good Luck for whoever are affected by... __________________ CFI/CFII/MEI/Right seat

November 3rd, 2009, 02:00	#116
CrippleHawk Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Herndon VA (outside of Washington DC home of Dulles International) Posts: 245	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0 This song coms to mind now for me at least. (Dont know how to embed this) Good luck to all

November 3rd, 2009, 02:47	#117
joliet Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: G Posts: 373	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Music is explicit, so I guess NSFW.

November 3rd, 2009, 08:57	#121
pilotlight Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Memphis Posts: 164	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated I remember that CRJ's engine being blown off and that they landed safely but does anyone know the cause since a lot of us fly the same plane?

November 3rd, 2009, 09:05	#122
Baronman Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,559	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Another thought regarding Mesa CRJ contract....why would UAL extend a contract when they now believe they can get more favorable terms? United could renegotiate a more favorable contract given the current environment. I agree things don't look great for Mesa...I just won't go saying the nail is in the coffin till the hammer is swinging. __________________ "I got a FEVER, and the only perscription is more Cow-Bell!"

November 3rd, 2009, 09:08	#123
Trip7 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ATL Posts: 2,811	Re: And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated Mesa will have 96 aircraft in operation with 63 spares beginning in April. Looks like the life line will go flat soon. Good luck to all the employees. I strongly believe any airline that takes over Mesa flying and proceeds to hire because of it, will give Mesa employees preferential interviews. __________________ Comm-ASEL, MEL, Inst. CFI, CFII, MEI TT: 1300 CRJ700/900 FO B.S. Aviation Management-Business Minor Southeastern Oklahoma State University Cum Laude Graduate

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