And So it Begins...Mesa Dash Flying Terminated

[houfo]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Ok, but with that they operate 58 CRJ's for UAL and 10 DASH correct? So they would still have 22 planes flying for UAL???

If United does not extend the agreement for the CRJ's by the end of this month then Mesa is out all UAL flying.. Correct?

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Ok, but with that they operate 58 CRJ's for UAL and 10 DASH correct? So they would still have 22 planes flying for UAL???

The two terminations cover the CRJ-200 and Dash-8.

The unknown element is the CRJ-700 flying, 20 aircraft, which - as far as I can see - is not addressed in that 10-Q filing.

Mesa, presently, operates 26 CRJ-200s, 20 CRJ-700s, and 10 Dash-8s for United, according to the 10-Q. Grand total of 56. Minus the 10 Dash-8s, and unless notified that they will fly the CRJ-200 for them beyond April 2010, subtract 26 CRJ-200s.

Net reduction of 36 airframes. Leaving the 20 CRJ-700s still flying for United. But, since Mesa - in losing the 36 - would be unable to generate enough capital to meet their necessary requirements, they would end up in a number of different scenarios. One being bankruptcy, the other having the certificate taken by the FAA for being unable to operate - but I'm not too sure what's involved with the latter. Just know that the FAA can, if a company is not financially stable, suspend or revoke their 121 certificate.

[Clocks]

Originally Posted by DPApilot

On just the Dash 8's.

26 more planes expire on 4/30/2010 unless United gives 180 days notice to extend them. So this may turn into 36 airplanes lost.

[Socal321]

Originally Posted by houfo

If United does not extend the agreement for the CRJ's by the end of this month then Mesa is out all UAL flying.. Correct?

No

[ppragman]

Mesa can't be killed.

[ChasenSFO]

The page won't load for me, anyone know when the YV Dash-8 flying will stop?

[ChasenSFO]

The deal OO signed with UA a week or two ago said that Skywest Inc. will get first pick at any "Large Turboprop" flying that may pop up in the future. Interesting to see what will happen if that offer does pop up.

[launchpad]

Originally Posted by Clocks

26 more planes expire on 4/30/2010 unless United gives 180 days notice to extend them. So this may turn into 36 airplanes lost.

Funny how ASA is starting east coast flying for United starting in May...

[v1valarob]

What large turbo prop does Skywest have? Or are we talking about ASA ATRs?does ASA still fly those?

[SpiraMirabilis]

These were only Dash-200s, with 37 seats.

[B767]

Originally Posted by v1valarob

What large turbo prop does Skywest have? Or are we talking about ASA ATRs?does ASA still fly those?

Rumor from an ACP a few months ago was the possibility of skywest buying Q400s....FWIW

[v1valarob]

Originally Posted by B767

Rumor from an ACP a few months ago was the possibility of skywest buying Q400s....FWIW

Is there some back door way of getting Qs out of order? As far as I know Colgan is at the mercy of the line. If we had the New Qs tomorrow, apparently they would be flying routes.

[sherpa]

Originally Posted by v1valarob

Is there some back door way of getting Qs out of order? As far as I know Colgan is at the mercy of the line. If we had the New Qs tomorrow, apparently they would be flying routes.

Isn't RJET looking to either expand or get rid of the Q? I dont' think they are interested in maintaining a 10 plane operation.

[FLflyer]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

our management blew all our cash on auction rate securities and stock buyback.

Sadly, XJT management did those exact same things...

[mrivc211]

Originally Posted by v1valarob

Is there some back door way of getting Qs out of order? As far as I know Colgan is at the mercy of the line. If we had the New Qs tomorrow, apparently they would be flying routes.

Yeah, when you have a fleet of over 300+ Bombardier A/C, you tend to have some leverage. Besides, didn't someone in Europe dumb theirs because of the gear issues(per George

I think Skywest is the largest CRJ operator in the world, not counting ASA.

Oh and if you're wondering, yes, our FO's will scab out and fly the Q-400 at Brasilia rates +5%. It's already been discussed on our forums. As much as they deny in public, when time comes, these little kids will drool at the chance.

Heck, one of my FO's admitted face to face that he would fly it at Brasilia rates to get his time and get out. At which point I blacked out and flew 600 miles without responding to ATC. snap

[FlyChicaga]

And so what begins? Just seems like shifting of flying in the regional airline rat race, again. Some lose, some gain, all the while we eat each other alive in hopes of seeing some movement (ie. upgrades) so we can get to the majors that we're replacing. There aren't going to be any more good jobs left unless this flying goes back to MAINLINE.

Although I'd love to see an ORD/DEN base for XJT, I'd much prefer to be ORD/DEN based on the A320 at United.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

Although I'd love to see an ORD/DEN base for XJT, I'd much prefer to be ORD/DEN based on the A320 at United.

Man, that's just crazy talk right there.

[Trip7]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Good find Marus... Interesting indeed.... You find any word on the CRJ200 flying with this article as well or no?

Nothing other than hearsay. If we here nothing from United by the end of this weekend Mesa will be done with the CR2 flying in April.

[mrivc211]

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

And so what begins? Just seems like shifting of flying in the regional airline rat race, again. Some lose, some gain, all the while we eat each other alive in hopes of seeing some movement (ie. upgrades) so we can get to the majors that we're replacing. There aren't going to be any more good jobs left unless this flying goes back to MAINLINE.

Although I'd love to see an ORD/DEN base for XJT, I'd much prefer to be ORD/DEN based on the A320 at United.

Hey pretty boy...why u gotta spike your hair up like that?

[Seggy]

for the ladies...

[GaTechKid]

Oh and if you're wondering, yes, our FO's will scab out and fly the Q-400 at Brasilia rates +5%. It's already been discussed on our forums. As much as they deny in public, when time comes, these little kids will drool at the chance.

How exactly do FOs "scab" out on this issue? CAs are supposed to be our leaders and mentors so how do they figure into this theoretical situation?

[Clocks]

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

And so what begins? Just seems like shifting of flying in the regional airline rat race, again. Some lose, some gain, all the while we eat each other alive in hopes of seeing some movement (ie. upgrades) so we can get to the majors that we're replacing. There aren't going to be any more good jobs left unless this flying goes back to MAINLINE.

It's not going back to mainline.

It never will go back to mainline.

So where does that leave us? Do we all sit in the corner and cry while these planes get staffed by the crappiest companies and by pilots who jumped at the chance to fly for the worst pay rates and contracts? Or do we hope (or your words "eat eachother") that the flying goes to a regional that is at least moderately respectable?

In any case, who CARES what you or I hope for? Does our hope change the economics of outsourcing routes to regionals? Does it change the fact that there is a line of thousands of people who will never read this forum who will fly for peanuts if given the chance? Will you or I ever get a chance on voting away mainline flying out of principle anyways? And if we did it would just end up in Colgan's lap...

Maybe I'm just ignorant. But please will someone tell me ONE thing *I* can do to prevent flying from getting outsourced to regionals?

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

And so what begins? Just seems like shifting of flying in the regional airline rat race, again. Some lose, some gain, all the while we eat each other alive in hopes of seeing some movement (ie. upgrades) so we can get to the majors that we're replacing. There aren't going to be any more good jobs left unless this flying goes back to MAINLINE.

Although I'd love to see an ORD/DEN base for XJT, I'd much prefer to be ORD/DEN based on the A320 at United.

Easy for you to say when you're sitting in the left seat vs. the right seat.

You can say all you want that your thoughts/feelings would remain the same no matter what seat you're in, but I don't believe it.

There are plenty of pilots that want to move on to bigger and better that are getting clogged up by the lifers at the regionals. Is it their right to stay, of course. But the moment pilots started turning a stepping stone into "I'm never leaving this airline" really messed things up.

Major airlines realize this and throw the regionals more flying as a bone. They know they're plenty of captains making a career at the regionals willing to sell out their brethren by flying former mainline routes for atrociously less pay then their FO counterparts at the the majors.

[Socal321]

Originally Posted by stuckingfk

There are plenty of pilots that want to move on to bigger and better that are getting clogged up by the lifers at the regionals.

Move where? The regionals are getting bigger than the majors. And today's regional is more like a major airline with RJs it's not like the old days of 1900s and metros. Every year the prospect of being a regional lifer gets better and better for many. There's a period of a couple of years where you have the chance to move on to an major FO or corp, but if you miss it, it makes more sense to stay on as a senior CA than a low FO somewhere else. You can't blame them for the reality of the industry.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Socal321

Move where? The regionals are getting bigger than the majors. And today's regional is more like a major airline with RJs it's not like the old days of 1900s and metros. Every year the prospect of being a regional lifer gets better and better for many. There's a period of a couple of years where you have the chance to move on to an major FO or corp, but if you miss it, it makes more sense to stay on as a senior CA than a low FO somewhere else. You can't blame them for the reality of the industry.

Somewhere. . .other than 50, 76, or 99 seat lift for peanuts. Ex-Pat keeps looking better and better. . .

I don't know about you guys, but I didn't make a career change to sit in an RJ for 45 years, topping out at 125k a year.

Yeah - right. Lemme tell you.

Which, is all the more reason why I make strong recommendations to those coming through training now or those who are debating about a career change - write out some career benchmarks, certain achievements that you want to hit within a certain time frame.

We're all different, so they will all vary, but write out the path of your career, be it CFI-135-121 Regional - 121 Major, etc. Establish a time line that you can use to base your progress.

If I'm not up and out of the regional nonsense by X number of years, I'll have no issues finding another career because it's not materializing as I had expected. My career expectations would not be met if I don't meet certain goals.

So - yeah - we're all different . . . but I sure as hell would want to hang myself if I had to spend 40+ years as an RJ Captain making nothing.