RAH E190 Rates

[Airdale]

Kids........

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Who are you kidding? I know a lady who got hired with just a little more than those times flying a Caravan.

Now I'm curious because that doesn't sound right. PM me a name and I'll have a peek at the seniority list.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Now I'm curious because that doesn't sound right. PM me a name and I'll have a peek at the seniority list.

As soon as I get her last name I'll send it your way.... She got both interviews with PSA and DAL. She had previous caravan experience and thus her "turbine PIC" time. She went to the DAL interview really not expecting anything to come of it, but one of those why the hell nots... And to her surprise got hired.... Let me email the one guy in my class that still talks to her and get the name again...

[SpiraMirabilis]

I know someone who had 0 TPIC and noone walked in his resume and he got hired at CAL (was AE FO), but now he's furloughed. But anyway, weird things happen.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by KLB

Well that's because you guys are just looking at regionals. Our very own Seggy got an interview at Delta with around 2500hrs total time and just over a 1000TPIC. There's no way he would have gotten that interview if it weren't for networking.

The guy their talking about got his interview because he had a connection with the recruiters. It wasn't because he was some starry eyed "I'm going to JetU to get there faster kid". It just looks like a bunch of jealousy to me. As a matter of fact, he had a little less time than you had when you got hired at PCL.

You're talking apples to oranges there, and for the record I do know some guys that got an interview at Delta sans networking with about those times. That's not an unheard of number of hours to have been interviewed at Delta during the time frame.

Now, I do agree that networking is important, but I think by bringing up the fact the guy knew the recruiters, you might be making other people's points for them. Jealousy? Maybe. I'll flat out admit I was jealous of the bridge program guys getting hired at regionals with half the multi and 200 hours less total than I had when I was instructing. All because they paid a couple of extra grand to get the interview. I said it then, and I was proven right by a few other regionals: bridge programs will (and did) increase the costs to get hired at a regional.

[SpiraMirabilis]

I was too, I couldn't get a call back from ASA with nearly 1000 hours ... well, actually I did get a callback but they said 'get an RJ course.'

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

I was too, I couldn't get a call back from ASA with nearly 1000 hours ... well, actually I did get a callback but they said 'get an RJ course.'

Glad that blemish on the industry is - hopefully - over with.

[Trip7]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

I'll take a bet on that then. Much like you were so COCKY that the E190 would NEVER be flown by a regional. Much like you have said on this forum, and others... Seems like your hunches really pay off !

I'll take that bet then. When I meant regionals won't fly the 190s I meant the 190s for the legacies. This is a whole different ball game with RAH due to the fact RAH OWNS Midwest and Frontier. When I see the legacy pilots cave on scope to allow 190s at the regionals I'll eat my words.

BTW stop being jealous of my boy for getting hired at RAH. And stop being jealous that RAH didn't hire you. You're at PSA now. Let it go. Not good for you to keep holding on to that stuff.

Originally Posted by kellwolf

You're talking apples to oranges there, and for the record I do know some guys that got an interview at Delta sans networking with about those times. That's not an unheard of number of hours to have been interviewed at Delta during the time frame.

Now, I do agree that networking is important, but I think by bringing up the fact the guy knew the recruiters, you might be making other people's points for them. Jealousy? Maybe. I'll flat out admit I was jealous of the bridge program guys getting hired at regionals with half the multi and 200 hours less total than I had when I was instructing. All because they paid a couple of extra grand to get the interview. I said it then, and I was proven right by a few other regionals: bridge programs will (and did) increase the costs to get hired at a regional.

So you're saying at the regional level networking is useless and its all about getting that RJ course to get hired? Ok.......

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

I was too, I couldn't get a call back from ASA with nearly 1000 hours ... well, actually I did get a callback but they said 'get an RJ course.'

I faxed my resume into ASA with 499hrs 57ME no RJ course and got a call back the next and was offered an interview. Interviewed and was told I did well enough to be hired but it didn't matter anyway because Eagle Scouts are automatically hired. Im still strong a believer that its all about the RJ course though....

[surreal1221]

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Trip7

I'll take that bet then. When I meant regionals won't fly the 190s I meant the 190s for the legacies. This is a whole different ball game with RAH due to the fact RAH OWNS Midwest and Frontier. When I see the legacy pilots cave on scope to allow 190s at the regionals I'll eat my words.

BTW stop being jealous of my boy for getting hired at RAH. And stop being jealous that RAH didn't hire you. You're at PSA now. Let it go. Not good for you to keep holding on to that stuff.

Oh Marcus you're true colors show again. GOING back with what you said about the E190's... Funny funny...

To answer your last part I never interviewed there. Once I got hired by AWAC/ASA/PSA I figured I had enough options. Would at the time IND been great, yes it would have. However with the wife working in Cincy Childrens being in DAY is even better. Again if you would take the time to learn the story, you might have a different view. Until then take the pm with a gain of salt. When you feel like you are unbiased and will take a clear view of some facts we can talk. If you truely took one minute out of your day to stop judging and hear the story that brought out that rant, you might understand. But that would involve you taking 2 minutes out of your day away from your, "Home boy" who on other forums was casted out by names for other remarks made on some other internet medias.... And at the time I backed that person up on that forum and still would. However after talking to some people like SoCalApproach and Delia I've really figured out that I have no dislike for the comapny of RAH, just one person there due to certain actions....

Do I like some things such as a E190, no, but I do not blame 5999/6000 pilots there. Rather my dislike is only with one in particular. But again you have yet to take a minute to hear and or try to hear another part of a story.

[Trip7]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Oh Marcus you're true colors show again. GOING back with what you said about the E190's... Funny funny...

To answer your last part I never interviewed there. Once I got hired by AWAC/ASA/PSA I figured I had enough options. Would at the time IND been great, yes it would have. However with the wife working in Cincy Childrens being in DAY is even better. Again if you would take the time to learn the story, you might have a different view. Until then take the pm with a gain of salt. When you feel like you are unbiased and will take a clear view of some facts we can talk. If you truely took one minute out of your day to stop judging and hear the story that brought out that rant, you might understand. But that would involve you taking 2 minutes out of your day away from your, "Home boy" who on other forums was casted out by names for other remarks made on some other internet medias.... And at the time I backed that person up on that forum and still would. However after talking to some people like SoCalApproach and Delia I've really figured out that I have no dislike for the comapny of RAH, just one person there due to certain actions....

Do I like some things such as a E190, no, but I do not blame 5999/6000 pilots there. Rather my dislike is only with one in particular. But again you have yet to take a minute to hear and or try to hear another part of a story.

My true colors? You send me a PM calling people "ghetto" and you telling me about my true colors? I don't need to hear your side of the story. I've already heard enough about you from numerous people, including your sim partner at PSA. Almost every thread you start or every post you make has something to do with RAH like its your obsession. One just has to look at your latest USairways 190 thread. I bet you have a poster of Bryan Bedford in your room.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Trip7

My true colors? You send me a PM calling people "ghetto" and you telling me about my true colors? I don't need to hear your side of the story. I've already heard enough about you from numerous people, including your sim partner at PSA. Almost every thread you start or every post you make has something to do with RAH like its your obsession. One just has to look at your latest USairways 190 thread. I bet you have a poster of Bryan Bedford in your room.

Exactly...My sim partner? I HIGHLY doubt you spoke with my sim partner. Real quick side note, he's white for one . He also worked for Gulfstream. He was the same person I did my 700 differences with. And then when we got recalled we did our recall sims together. He's not the one, who you are close with here at PSA apparently, that after the furlough notices went out and was saved by one went around bragging, "I'm number one, I'm number one, I am the last one and didnt get cut." When many others were just given the news they were being let go. Again goes to show what you THINK you know. If you care to continue this conversation you have my number, and know how to contact me. However you have you "group" and some how certain people dont fit in. Thus your judgement was made about a stupid topic a while ago.

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

I'll take a bet on that then. Much like you were so COCKY that the E190 would NEVER be flown by a regional. Much like you have said on this forum, and others... Seems like your hunches really pay off !

[jynxyjoe]

Ya'll both need to cool down.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Ya'll both need to cool down.

Agreed... I just wish one would actually take time to listen to anothers view on the issue. Instead if you arent part of a "group" they side with others.... Guess having all the facts arent needed for some.... Just sad that someone you thought you could speak with, goes with his insiders on the issue and wont hear ya out...

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Agreed... I just wish one would actually take time to listen to anothers view on the issue. Instead if you arent part of a "group" they side with others.... Guess having all the facts arent needed for some.... Just sad that someone you thought you could speak with, goes with his insiders on the issue and wont hear ya out...

Well this stuff is hot button. We had a pretty good bashing session in class today about the 190 in Midwest colors. Especially one of the guys in my class who is a Midwest furloughee from a couple years back.

It makes me sick, no doubt about it. This is a topic that is going to continually be tossed around, probably for years, because it truly is a warning siren to airline pilots everywhere.

Quite frankly, I wish nothing but the worst luck for Republic right now, just hope it doesn't effect their pilots too much.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Quite frankly, I wish nothing but the worst luck for Republic right now, just hope it doesn't affect their pilots too much.

Which is impossible.

While I may or may not share this sentiment, it's crucial we direct as much support as possible towards the negotiating team at RAH, F9, and Pseudo-Midwest.

We, as a profession, need to hope that BB doesn't manage to get away with bringing regional wages to "mainline" aircraft.

The cat is out of the bag, and the only way to put him back in is to kill it, bag it, trash it.

[Trip7]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Which is impossible.

While I may or may not share this sentiment, it's crucial we direct as much support as possible towards the negotiating team at RAH, F9, and Pseudo-Midwest.

We, as a profession, need to hope that BB doesn't manage to get away with bringing regional wages to "mainline" aircraft.

The cat is out of the bag, and the only way to put him back in is to kill it, bag it, trash it.

Undercut, that's the name of the game. Bedford will give them below avg rates, and when RAH/F9/Pseudo-Midwest gain marketshare and profitability they'll be awarded huge raises on the following contract. Isn't that how Fedex/UPS/SWA did it? Those three companies didn't pay cream of the crop wages back in the day. Capitalism at it finest....

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Trip7

Undercut, that's the name of the game. Bedford will give them below avg rates, and when RAH/F9/Pseudo-Midwest gain marketshare and profitability they'll be awarded huge raises on the following contract. Isn't that how Fedex/UPS/SWA did it? Those three companies didn't pay cream of the crop wages back in the day. Capitalism at it finest....

Eek.

Give them an inch, they'll take a football field.

But, not going to get into this debate with you Marcus.

Warren E. Buffet, acclaimed investor and Chief Executive Officer of Berkshire Hathaway, compiled some data from the employees who work in his primary office in an effort to evaluate the percentage of income provided to taxes. The employees in his office were primarily secretarial and clerk staff. Buffet determined that he pays far, far less as a fraction of his income than his office employees do in regards to taxes. Buffet's primary sources of income came from dividends and capital gains, where as his employee's income came from salary or wage based positions. When challenged about the fact that, when the differences in taxes as a percentage of one's total income, the debate traditionally turns quickly to trying to engage in class warfare. The truth is, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it must be a duck. Buffet acknowledges this, “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

The above quote is not from the link to follow, but it is an interview conducted by Ben Stein with Warren Buffet a number of years ago - which is where the Buffet quote in the above statement came from.

Stein, Ben (2006, November 26). In Class Warfare, Guess Which Class Is Winning?. The New York Times, Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/bu...y/26every.html

Class warfare is alive and well. And, perhaps you don't view yourself as middle class - but many of us do. While the strength of unions have decreased over the past half century, the problems created by "capitalism" still exist, and it's certainly not the executives who are any worse off.

[Polar742]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

While I may or may not share this sentiment, it's crucial we direct as much support as possible towards the negotiating team at RAH, F9, and Pseudo-Midwest.

Good show!!

We, as a profession, need to hope that BB doesn't manage to get away with bringing regional wages to "mainline" aircraft.

And we hope the RAH pilots will refuse any offer that does the same.

The cat is out of the bag, and the only way to put him back in is to kill it, bag it, trash it.

Yeah, tell that to the scope genie....

Originally Posted by Trip7

Isn't that how Fedex/UPS/SWA did it?

WN, yes.

FDX and UPS no. These two operate a business that happens to use airplanes. FDX actually had people pay for a type, and UPS, is well, UPS.

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Which is impossible.

While I may or may not share this sentiment, it's crucial we direct as much support as possible towards the negotiating team at RAH, F9, and Pseudo-Midwest.

We, as a profession, need to hope that BB doesn't manage to get away with bringing regional wages to "mainline" aircraft.

The cat is out of the bag, and the only way to put him back in is to kill it, bag it, trash it.

Well, when Republic goes out of business those pilots should have an easy time getting jobs with all that shiny jet time and with all that capacity that just opened up.

Who knows, maybe I'll get Midwest back.

Undercut, that's the name of the game. Bedford will give them below avg rates, and when RAH/F9/Pseudo-Midwest gain marketshare and profitability they'll be awarded huge raises on the following contract. Isn't that how Fedex/UPS/SWA did it? Those three companies didn't pay cream of the crop wages back in the day. Capitalism at it finest....

Sounds pie in the sky to me.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Sounds pie in the sky to me.

Its a pilot who wants to be part of management apparently.... Counting on a pay raise based on the company turning into a profitable airline.... What happens when they do not return to a profitable airline and thus you just flew around in a E190 for the last 2 years for a crappy rate.... I know those who are working on getting a payrate will come to the table with a better approach then that....

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by Polar742

And we hope the RAH pilots will refuse any offer that does the same.

Too late...

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by Trip7

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So you're saying at the regional level networking is useless and its all about getting that RJ course to get hired? Ok.......

In the last round of hiring at my carrier....that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. See what Spira said, too. ASA told him to get an RJ course. PSA told me to get a CRJ type rating when they were hiring 600 hour guys outta ATP. Think you woulda gotten hired at ASA without that RJ course, Marcus? Maybe. But odds would have been a LOT slimmer. Don't agree with me, that's fine. Wouldn't be the first or last time. However, history doesn't lie. Hell, a whole school based their marketing and curriculum off sending guys here. Why would they hire guys with actual experience that might know a thing or two over the guys that would just be happy to be here?

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Ya'll both need to cool down.

No doubt.

It's almost like two fuzzy, declawed kittens fighting in the clothes hamper!