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[Orange Anchor]

Originally Posted by Polar742

Kind nice since it only cruised at one speed, you never had to use the manual trim.

Around here somewhere amid all the manuals, my YS-11 manual is hiding. For a while I caught a virus and collected flight manuals. There are a number of sites now where you can get copies or actual flight manuals and they make for interesting reading about the evolution of systems and standardized cockpits. It is incredible at times to look at what our forefathers had to work with.

As for the YS-11, it was similar to many European machines in that there was a relatively large manual elevator trim wheel that was more useful for trimming than the electric trim. I use the manual trim in the Citation more often than the electric for fine tuning. The BAC-111 and I believe the F-28 had similar elevator trim wheels. Didn't fly either on the line but did get some time in the F-70, the shortened version of the F-100. Nice little machine for what it was designed to do.

[Orange Anchor]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Bluefield sucks. The locals use the VOR for target practice.

Bluefield was a challenge. Winds and wx always made it interesting. We were coming back thru Bluefield on winter afternoon and Ops was reporting 200 and 1/2. We shot the ILS but never captured the glideslope. We just continued at GS intercept altitude. When we went by the missed approach point, the Capt said, "Tell 'em we missed and are going to ROA." Ops said they never saw us but heard us go by.
I did as told but had to ask, "What was that all about?"

The Capt said, "Those lying SOBs aren't telling the truth about the wx. No way it is 200 and 1/2 with those winds. So.. they lie. I lie."

We used the YS to go into such places as Hickory NC. Friend of mine came over to me in CLT laughing his butt off. I asked what was so funny. He said they had tried to land at HKY but had decided not to land after ops had told them, "Braking action is fair to poor as measured on a Cushman Eagle." The field has one of those 3 wheel Cushman scooters to carry light freight.

And don't get me started on Ernie who later became Ernestine. Ernie was not a particularly handsome fellow so it is no mean comment to say Ernestine was not easy on the eyes.

[Polar742]

Originally Posted by Orange Anchor

in that there was a relatively large manual elevator trim wheel.

That's about the understatement of the month.

I am total agreement about manual trim. Last 3 airplanes I've been on haven't had that though. The speed compensators work fine, but anything without a speed compensator...

Come to think about it, anything that needs less than 1 turn of the wheel should be outlawed from having electric trim.

The Chipmonk...now there's a machine that doesn't need trim. Ever...