Comair Reductions

[cavu4u]

Originally Posted by Getburned

From the memo, "Therefore, according to the current seniority list,for current or awarded captains, you are safe from being displaced if your seniority number is 673 or lower." We need at least that many FO's right?

Yeah... thing is... the displacement bid listed 741 current Capt's and after the 149 downgrades, that leaves us with 592 Capt's. I'm guessing they only include Active pilots in the "Positions Currently Held by Pilots" and maybe not include those in Management and on some sort of leave. But who knows... I'm new to all this.

If we're left with 592 Capt's, we're also left with 879 FO's (730 current FO's listed in displacement bid plus the 149 that are displaced), which means we have 287 more FO's than we do Capt's... much closer to that 300 count the company gave us a while back.

Again... I'm just stabbing in the dark here with these numbers. I have no idea how this is going to pan out. I'm totally confused by the ECD date of 3/15/09 and why they're showing a minimum of 803 FO's and a max of 868 FO's by the ECD. I'm assuming that doesn't take into account any furloughs obviously. Comparing those numbers to the same Min and Max numbers for Capt's, there's a surplus of 214 (min) to 232 (max) FO's.

Can you tell I'm confused?

[Getburned]

I'm with you, confused, nothing makes total sense. I've done the math a million ways, came up the same numbers as you. Another thing, We have so many management pilots, might be why your safe from displacement if you have a number of 672 or higher. Oh well, it will be interesting to see what actually happens.

[Reserve4Ever]

According to announcement from DO/CP during recurrent ground this week, furlough numbers are now up to 350. Also currently no voluntary leaves, early out etc. are planned, according to the company. Of course, no word as usual from the union.

[NC_BE300]

There are Company Offered Leaves for pilots out for people to take.

Also in the discussions during ground school-there is talk about a "part time" pilot program, along with other factors/ideas still in place to midigate furloughs-according to the CP.

We'll just have to see what it ends up being-only then will we know the final #'s.

The word of course is also that it can turn back around-just as quick as it turned this way. So who really knows-we'll just see what happens.

[dakovich]

COLAs for September. now, for future COLA offerings i'm not so sure. flew with a check airman who said the union is playing a little bit of hard-ball with mgnt over possible options for the pilot group. from other memos they can't start getting rid of people without offering other solutions to reduce staffing per the contract. even more interesting is what i've heard and seen with the FA union. they jumped all over the staffing "problems" and offered all kinds of offerings to the FAs to try and get things inline with what the company has requested. early outs, COLAs, part-time, etc...

[Reserve4Ever]

I would not count on the company to honor the contractual language as far as reducing furlough numbers. I think they are more likely to to do what they want and tell the union to grieve it if they don't like it. After all that's what they do for everything else.

[CRJDriver]

Originally Posted by dakovich

flew with a check airman who said the union is playing a little bit of hard-ball with mgnt over possible options for the pilot group.

That's just typical Soaper screwing around again with the Union and the Union with Soaper. Personally, I believe we will NOT furlough 300 pilots, my guess is around the 160 range, and that is even a little high. Don't get worked up about the the stupid Soaper memos and crap. The Union isn't doing crap, and I think there is something in the works that the company is not telling us. All I am saying is, don't be surprised if we only furlough 60 pilots and start flying for United.

[Reserve4Ever]

Originally Posted by UND_Flyer

That's just typical Soaper screwing around again with the Union and the Union with Soaper. Personally, I believe we will NOT furlough 300 pilots, my guess is around the 160 range, and that is even a little high. Don't get worked up about the the stupid Soaper memos and crap. The Union isn't doing crap, and I think there is something in the works that the company is not telling us. All I am saying is, don't be surprised if we only furlough 60 pilots and start flying for United.

I hope you are right on the furlough numbers. Just looking for opinions about the united thing. Management claims we turned down the flying after "winning" the initial rfp when it was shortened to one year. I'm wondering why they would award it to comair again after being turned down. Besides I think alot of that flying is done by mesa, and despite their economic position, I have a hard time believing they will be going away.

[NC_BE300]

Originally Posted by Reserve4Ever

I hope you are right on the furlough numbers. Just looking for opinions about the united thing. Management claims we turned down the flying after "winning" the initial rfp when it was shortened to one year. I'm wondering why they would award it to comair again after being turned down. Besides I think alot of that flying is done by mesa, and despite their economic position, I have a hard time believing they will be going away.

There was alot of cost that wasn’t addressed with the United RFP- MX Cost/Base/Parts to have Chicago, and who knows what else. And a year term for something of that kind of operation-no wonder it was re-thought about putting that kind of work into the idea.
But an RFP is an RFP-who knows if we or someone else will get it. That’s the nature of the RFP.

Who knows who will be here tomorrow. If you have that crystal ball-share it.

In the mean time-yep its Soap vs. Soap Box, yada yada yada.
Whatever.
Hope your bids are in- and GODSPEED!!!!!! Or find the next opportunity out there-believe it or not-they are still out there.

[kellwolf]

Wait. So a WO of Delta can fly regional routes for a competitor? That sounds kinda odd. Not sure if Mesaba, Compass or PSA can fly regional routes other than NWA/US Air.

[Gonzo]

I know Eagle can only fly for AA.

[CRJDriver]

Comair got the OK from Delta a long time ago to fly for United. Remember, (unfortunately) Comair is owned by DL, so I'm sure they would see some money from the UAL flying. As far as the UAL bid. Yes, we were the cheapest operator, but we turned it down the first time, because UAL wanted it for only 1 year, and CMR did the right thing by not accepting it. After that, UAL went down the list of all other carriers that had in a bid and nobody else was going to do it for a year either, so I guess now it is for a 2 or 3 years and we are back to Comair. Latest I've heard is that we have gotten awarded the UAL flying, but nobody knows when it will start, could be today, next year or after Mesa goes away.

[kellwolf]

Eh, believe stuff like that when you see the airplanes. I've also heard Pinnacle got that flying, too.

Well, technically Pinnacle AND Colgan. Pinnacle the -700s and Colgan the Q400s. Like I said, I'll believe it when I see the planes.

[Trip7]

Comair awarded UAL flying? Hahahahaha. Whew. Hahahaha. WHEW! Don't you love rumors? I will buy every member of jetcareers a beer if this ever becomes true.

Disclaimer: UNLESS it becomes true after Comair is sold off by Delta.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Wait. So a WO of Delta can fly regional routes for a competitor? That sounds kinda odd. Not sure if Mesaba, Compass or PSA can fly regional routes other than NWA/US Air.

I don't know about Comair but on the NWA side, they can.

Compass, for instance, could bid for E-175 flying for Continental if they gave away the scope. Just an example obviously.

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Comair awarded UAL flying? Hahahahaha. Whew. Hahahaha. WHEW! Don't you love rumors? I will buy every member of jetcareers a beer if this ever becomes true.

Disclaimer: UNLESS it becomes true after Comair is sold off by Delta.

We have bid and UAL has not awarded us the flying...yet. UAL and UAX were here three weeks ago and toured the GO and the SOCC. I recognized a few that I had met while I was at Mesa. We do have Delta's appoval to fly for other mainline carriers as long as the routes do not overlap Delta operated routes i.e. CVG-ORD or ORD-JFK. The relax of scope was part of our Ch.11 reorganization.

[Getburned]

Displacement came out, looks like 291 out of job this fall.

[Trip7]

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

We have bid and UAL has not awarded us the flying...yet. UAL and UAX were here three weeks ago and toured the GO and the SOCC. I recognized a few that I had met while I was at Mesa. We do have Delta's appoval to fly for other mainline carriers as long as the routes do not overlap Delta operated routes i.e. CVG-ORD or ORD-JFK. The relax of scope was part of our Ch.11 reorganization.

Every regional that UAL has been to has the "UAL is SO interested us" rumor going around. Including ASA. Believe it when the planes show up with wet paint dripping.

[CRJDriver]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Every regional that UAL has been to has the "UAL is SO interested us" rumor going around. Including ASA. Believe it when the planes show up with wet paint dripping.

Yeah, we get it dude!

[Getburned]

Just Announced, 90 guys/gals Sept. 1st. Can't believe how fast things are moving.

[CRJDriver]

Originally Posted by Getburned

Just Announced, 90 guys/gals Sept. 1st. Can't believe how fast things are moving.

There will probably be another list come October. I still don't think we are going to furlough 300 guys. Ridiculous!

[bike21]

Had a Comair captain in the JS today, poor guy is getting downgraded soon. He did seem positive about being a relative senior FO again and having a good schedule. Always gotta find something positive out of ###### situations. Sorry to everyone affected out there. Hang in there!

[heading180]

So what the heck does this mean???? Cancellation of Displacement Bid, All COLA's honored, and "Open Communication"..... Does this mean more or less furloughs for Sept? Hahahaha.. Lawd ab merrrcy.

[saxman66]

Now they just yanked the furlough list of 90 guys. Its not on the site anymore. Something weird is going on.

[CRJDriver]

Word is they were having a hard time figuring out the training schedule to retrain all the displacements (Duh!). I think there will still be some furloughs and displacements, but hopefully a lot less and with some more COLAs. We should find out more next week.