CHQ and UAL split

[Kingairer]

UAL has notified CHQ that they will be removing the 7 ERJ145s in 2009.

[sigpilot]

I heard it was 9 planes.

[sigpilot]

who knows maybe the animals sitting in PIT will head that way.

[Foxcow]

CHQ only has 9 planes with United? For some reason, I thought it was more.

[Flyvne]

UAL is increasing the Express flying by 10-11%. I guess just not with the 50 seaters.

[fly8slep]

2009? That's like a year away, who cares.

[meritflyer]

CHQ has notified UAL they don't think they'll [UAL] be in business in 2009.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by sigpilot

who knows maybe the animals sitting in PIT will head that way.

Perhaps they need to be sold.... thus no planes are heading any where right now with the way things are.

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Perhaps they need to be sold.... thus no planes are heading any where right now with the way things are.

Maybe it's just that today is a day off and hence my brain is running in power saver mode, but that made no sense to me.

From what I remember, the 145 contract between CHQ and United was up in 2009 anyways, so it looks like they are just choosing not to renew it. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes out to bid under different terms and CHQ maybe even keeps the flying.

[surreal1221]

Bummer.

[E_Dawg]

I don't see how express flying could possibly grow with United any time soon. Less mainline airplanes = less airplanes for the regionals to feed.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Maybe it's just that today is a day off and hence my brain is running in power saver mode, but that made no sense to me.

From what I remember, the 145 contract between CHQ and United was up in 2009 anyways, so it looks like they are just choosing not to renew it. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes out to bid under different terms and CHQ maybe even keeps the flying.

Perhaps this is true. The planes up in PIT with the Frontier colors probably are not moving any where soon. Thus they probably need to be sold to save money with the current state of reductions at all carriers right now. Dont know if it can be put any other way.

[Flyvne]

I don't see how express flying could possibly grow with United any time soon. Less mainline airplanes = less airplanes for the regionals to feed.

I read it in the news that UAL was going to increase Express while decreasing mainline flying. I originaly read about the extra flying on another forum and spent about a half hour pouring over on line news articals until I came across it. All the news was focusing on grounding all the 737's and the 950 furloughs, not the small blurb in the press release about more Express flying. It seems that they are simply replacing some of the mainline flights with regional flying. This is nothing new as all the mainlines have done this (pre-fuel problems).

Also, Gojet (United Express only) is getting 8 new CRJ700 for "extra Express flying". This is right from the horses mouth. He also confirmed the above.

[JetsGoWhee]

Originally Posted by Flyvne

This is right from the horses mouth. He also confirmed the above.

To which horses mouth would you be referring to?

[Flyvne]

I was afraid of being asked this. I can;t remember his name. Not the COO Leach, but the top dog on the Gojet side (Not TSA).

[SeanD]

Originally Posted by Flyvne

I read it in the news that UAL was going to increase Express while decreasing mainline flying. I originaly read about the extra flying on another forum and spent about a half hour pouring over on line news articals until I came across it. All the news was focusing on grounding all the 737's and the 950 furloughs, not the small blurb in the press release about more Express flying. It seems that they are simply replacing some of the mainline flights with regional flying. This is nothing new as all the mainlines have done this (pre-fuel problems).

Also, Gojet (United Express only) is getting 8 new CRJ700 for "extra Express flying". This is right from the horses mouth. He also confirmed the above.

From what I understand they are eliminating Ted service and fitting the Ted 320s with 1st class and parking the gas guzzlers. Do you have a source in regards to the press release?

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by E_Dawg

I don't see how express flying could possibly grow with United any time soon. Less mainline airplanes = less airplanes for the regionals to feed.

We've now reached a point in this business where regional airplanes don't need to feed mainline airplanes anymore. Regionals are so big that regional airplanes now feed other regional airplanes. The UAL 737s are getting sent to the desert, meanwhile UAL Express is planned to grow by at least 10%. Ridiculous situation.

[Foxcow]

Originally Posted by Flyvne

I was afraid of being asked this. I can;t remember his name. Not the COO Leach, but the top dog on the Gojet side (Not TSA).

He is the top dog over there too. They have the same management as us.

[Flyvne]

Originally Posted by SeanD

From what I understand they are eliminating Ted service and fitting the Ted 320s with 1st class and parking the gas guzzlers. Do you have a source in regards to the press release?

If was vary hard to find amoung all the United news and I should have saved the link. But I did'nt and I don't want to do the long search again. I did find this artical however that came out today that goes along with what I said. http://www.redorbit.com/news/busines...nding_flights/

8th paragraph daown says;
"Under its reorganization plan, United will take 100 larger aircrafts - such as Boeing 737s - out of service and replace them with smaller regional jets in some major metropolitan areas where they plan to maintain service. They'll get those smaller, 50- passenger planes from routes serving regional airports like Bloomington's, Olson said."

[Flyvne]

Originally Posted by SeanD

From what I understand they are eliminating Ted service and fitting the Ted 320s with 1st class and parking the gas guzzlers. Do you have a source in regards to the press release?

Here is another one http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,5330256.story

Second Paragragh; "Officials for Los Angeles World Airports announced Tuesday that United, the only commercial carrier at the airport, would increase daily flights from two to four and replace its current 50-seat regional jets with 30-seat turboprops, adding 20% more capacity."

This increases pilots needed but not so much of an increrses in ASM's.

[SmitteyB]

Originally Posted by E_Dawg

I don't see how express flying could possibly grow with United any time soon. Less mainline airplanes = less airplanes for the regionals to feed.

I agree, but regional is mainline it seems.

Take US Airways for instance.

Let's say I want to fly from New York to Minneapolis. There aren't any direct flights. You must connect through Philadelphia. Your itinerary would like like this...

LGA-PHL operated by Piedmont Airlines on a Dash 8.
PHL-MSP operated by Air Wisconsin Airlines Corporation on a Canadair Regional Jet.

Two major cities, connected via Express operations on regional airplanes. Regionals feed regionals under the mainline brand.

It is insane what has happened to the landscape of this industry with the introduction of regional feed operations.

[MusketeerMan]

I didn't even we flew for UAL on the CHQ side...so, in 18 months we lose 7 airplanes?

[SmitteyB]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

We've now reached a point in this business where regional airplanes don't need to feed mainline airplanes anymore. Regionals are so big that regional airplanes now feed other regional airplanes. The UAL 737s are getting sent to the desert, meanwhile UAL Express is planned to grow by at least 10%. Ridiculous situation.

Oops, I'm sorry we are on the same point of thinking, I guess.

[SIUAv8r]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

I didn't even we flew for UAL on the CHQ side...so, in 18 months we lose 7 airplanes?

Hopefully they'll just go over to the CO side to replace the CRJ's.