CrewPASS...The Beginning.

[Clocks]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Actually, the rest is fine you $30,000 and bust you with a federal felony charge.

It's happened more then you think.

I searched and couldn't find anything about it being against the rules or anyone being punished for it. Got any links?

[blee256]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

I'm hard pressed to believe a solid lawyer wouldn't be able to get you off scot-free anyway.

As if having to hire a "solid Lawyer" is cheap..

[stoki]

Last week I too have gotten deprived of my shampoo and toothpaste because I was not in uniform. I was aware that I had to check my bag since I was not in uniform and had liquids and gels in my bag, but was running late, boarding had started, and they wouldnt check my bag so I had to carry it on as it was not large. Thats when it happened, they said since I'm not in uniform they have to deprive me of clean teeth, and hair.

I now always travel in uniform since I want to keep my liquids and gels. And everyone treats me like a walking airport information desk, where ever I may be.

The TSA is nothing more but a hassle, and a waste of money. Security for me is 60% of the aggrivation I go through when non-reving.

I hope this CrewPass thing goes through, as mentioned before once this ball gets rolling maybe eventually we wont have to play dress up, either.

[KLB]

They'll most likely make a rule that states that the CrewPASS can only be used if on duty.

[germb747]

Originally Posted by KLB

They'll most likely make a rule that states that the CrewPASS can only be used if on duty.

Yea, I was about to say that. Suck it up nonrevs!

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by KLB

They'll most likely make a rule that states that the CrewPASS can only be used if on duty.

That's fine, I'll just end up using the Airport Employee line. lol

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by KLB

They'll most likely make a rule that states that the CrewPASS can only be used if on duty.

Originally Posted by germb747

Yea, I was about to say that. Suck it up nonrevs!

I've seen nothing so far that suggests such a requirement.

[surreal1221]

Me either, but of course. . .we'll always have some pilots who want to see other professionals suffering by having their liquids taken.

[SoCalAprch]

How come at certain airports you can walk through ops with no screening and at some you must go through security. Seems like the bigger airports you have to go through with the PAX. I understand that terrorists probably don't want anything to do with TOL or these small town airports but after we all walk through OPs our whole crew and every other one that went through ops that day now has access to every other airport they are flying to with absolutely no screening. It just seems backwards to me. I really have lost all respect for these idiots due to the lack of consistency. I told a guy at CVG who tried to take my toothpaste that at the airport I just came from I didn't even walk through security and if he really wanted me to I would put on my uniform shirt. He said not to worry about it this time but remember that I need to be in uniform to bring through big bottles. I told him it was a stupid rule, he said he agreed but he didn't make em just enforced em.

[KLB]

Well he's kind of telling you the truth on that one. I'm sure some police officers think the same way. I get pretty ticked when I am the only person on the highway at o'dark thirty in the morning and get pulled over for speeding. I really can't blame the LEO for enforcing the law because thats his job. If he doesn't do his job and I end creating an accident. It would just as much his fault as it would be mine.

With that being said, I'm not in the terminal as nearly as much as you guys are and I get pretty frustrated with it. It makes me really happy that all I usually go into are FBO's and base ops.

Oh yeah. If you think that TSA is a joke, you'd really have a good time trying to get onto a UPS ramp!

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by SoCalAprch

he said he agreed but he didn't make em just enforced em.

Remember this when dealing with the TSA 'idiots' (hopefully for not much longer). Its the guys with 4 stripes (on their epaulets 3 below the TSA letters and one above), and the suits that have any authority at an airport.

[SoCalAprch]

The guy who said that wasn't a bad guy, he was one of the better ones that I have dealt with. Its the inconsistency of being able to go through ops at one airport and getting gate raped at another because you had a pack of gum in your shirt pocket that kept setting off the detector. "Only 2 tries sir come this way."

Someone in the know. Why do they let us walk through ops at some airports and not at others? Is there some sort of level of airports or is it just a crap shoot?

[RightSeatGirl]

Inconsistant and randomly changing security procedures are a staple of confusion tactics in counter-terrorism. If those who would do wicked things don't know what to expect on a given day at an airport then they can hardly prepare for it.

[OldTownPilot]

Mostly a crap shoot. If its logistically feasible, and the airport authority, the local TSA suits say it can happen, and the station managers can get together with the AA and the TSA and make up a plan there is a good chance of it being allowed. Otherwise not a chance.

[ERfly]

Originally Posted by SoCalAprch

I understand that terrorists probably don't want anything to do with TOL or these small town airports but after we all walk through OPs our whole crew and every other one that went through ops that day now has access to every other airport they are flying to with absolutely no screening.

Not true. Remember, Mohammad Atta entered the US Transportation System i PWM on 9/11/01.

There's a provision that allows crews to bypass, but I won't discuss it on an open forum. Check your carrier's AOSSP for more details.

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by ERfly

Not true. Remember, Mohammad Atta entered the US Transportation System i PWM on 9/11/01.

He did also get screened again in BOS. Mind you he carried nothing that as illegal at the time. He could have cleared anywhere.

PWM also does not let crews bypass, nor gate agents, or anyone for that matter. The airport authority doesn't allow it. At least that was the case fall of 06 when I was TDY down there helping Delta get rid of their gate agents.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by RightSeatGirl

Inconsistant and randomly changing security procedures are a staple of confusion tactics in counter-terrorism. If those who would do wicked things don't know what to expect on a given day at an airport then they can hardly prepare for it.

Eh, I'd buy that argument if the inconsistancy was consistant. It's not. It varies from airport to airport, but those specific airports don't vary. For example, you might go through screening in DAL and have to take your shoes off, but when changing terminals in HOU you don't. Next time you go back through.....same thing. Now, if it were SOMETIMES you do and sometimes you don't at BOTH airports, then I'd say TSA is trying to throw off "those who would do wicked things." In this case, I think it's just an example of Bureaucracy Gone Wild.

I was under the impression that one of the reasons the TSA was implemented over independent security contractors was consistency. Otherwise why not just have individual contractors with government oversight? That's essentially what we have now with each TSA airport manager having their own little fiefdom. Only difference is it costs us more in tax dollars this way.

[surreal1221]

Heck, could you imagine the joy if the TSA minions said "Oh no guys. . .don't worry about taking your shoes off today. It's the 1st (or 15th) and we are damn happy we got paid, so keep those shoes on and enjoy your air travel today!"

Oh how it'd be nice to live in America, The United States Of again.