Why all the hate from American Eagle?

[Foxcow]

I work for Trans States and some of co-workers and I are trying to figure out why some Eagle guys are throwing hatred our way. TSA will be picking up a few routes out of MIA starting in June and I can see how a lot of Eagle guys would see that as an encroachment on their territory but I hope they realize a few things:

-This is a deal between AMR and TSA management (we had no vote)
-TSA is losing a few routes in STL in order for this to happen
-If I'm not mistaken, Eagle will be shifting some stuff to ORD and possibly STL as a result
-We did not have a say in this

We have had a couple of incidents where we were called scabs over the radio.


Any thoughts?

[Kingairer]

they are parking 45 airplanes and TSA is flying routes they used to. Clouded or not, thats why.

[Clocks]

Maybe they are frustrated that it's considered inappropriate to criticize another pilot group for voluntarily working for an undercutting sleezebag operation. I'm sure TSA is a top notch super fabulous operation (I've never worked there), but that might be how they see it.

[SUS_RVS]

I haven't heard anything over the radio yet but I have seen two instances where eagle pilots ignored a friendly greeting in the gate area. I'm having a hard time convincing myself that jerks like that are in the minority lately.

We had an ExpressJet guy in the jumpseat yesterday from BNA to STL, he was a nice guy until we were out of sterile then it was all about how much better his airline was than ours and why don't we just shut down.

If there had been an empty seat in the back he would have been relocated to it.

I know Trans States is small potatoes compared to Eagle or XJT or Skywest... pretty much any other regional but aren't we still on the same team? It seems like professional courtesy is going out the window.

[greaper007]

I always find it funny how ANY pilot at a regional could call another pilot a scab or make fun oh their airline. Every single regional airline is by definition an undercutting scab operation. At least I already KNOW that I work for a bottom feeder.

[Gizmo]

[ready2fly]

REALLY bad time to be calling out American Eagle right now. Seriously bad timing.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by greaper007

I always find it funny how ANY pilot at a regional could call another pilot a scab or make fun oh their airline. Every single regional airline is by definition an undercutting scab operation. At least I already KNOW that I work for a bottom feeder.

Exactly. Also pilots seem to think that the aviation industry is a charity and not a competitive business.

[Baronman]

Originally Posted by greaper007

I always find it funny how ANY pilot at a regional could call another pilot a scab or make fun oh their airline. Every single regional airline is by definition an undercutting scab operation. At least I already KNOW that I work for a bottom feeder.

I disagree with the "undercutting scab operation" statement as well as trying to lump all regional pilots together. There are far too many companies, unions, pilots to paint us all the same color. We are supposed to be professionals, I hope a company values my skills and experience. When I resign myself to "bottom feeder" status, I am sure those around me including management will treat me as such.

[SmitteyB]

Baronman-

Aren't you undercutting CAL mainline by flying their routes? At a FRACTION of the pay!

IAH-YYZ, EWR-OMA?

I guess it's different though....because you're ExpressJet. Our savior.

Same can be said for Colgan's Q operation.

All regionals are the same.

[Clocks]

Wouldn't CAL just put a 737 on those routes if the demand justified it?

[Seggy]

We are our own worst enemies.

[Clocks]

I don't know. I still haven't seen enough evidence "pilot unity" to prove that we're any different than the burger flippers at Wendy's looking at the burger flippers across the street at McDonalds.

But I'm new. Maybe someone can point to a non-self serving sacrifice of one pilot group to protect another.

[Baronman]

Originally Posted by SmitteyB

Baronman-

Aren't you undercutting CAL mainline by flying their routes? At a FRACTION of the pay!

IAH-YYZ, EWR-OMA?

I guess it's different though....because you're ExpressJet. Our savior.

Same can be said for Colgan's Q operation.

All regionals are the same.

1. I do fly an aircraft roughly 40% the size of their smallest plane for about 40% the pay. I believe I deserve more money for the work I do and the responsibility given to me and the crew when I sign the release and go flying.

2. Continental can stick whatever plane they like on whatever route they wish. Don't turn this into a "regional stealing mainline routes" thread.

3. "I guess it's different though...Our savior." Gimme a break.

4. "All regionals are the same" A defeatist attitude. Man I'm all for you Colgan guys getting higher pay, better work rules etc. And it's not me or XJT or CAL or anyone but yourselves that can get that accomplished. But explain to me how a "we're all bottomfeeder" mentality will get you anything better? If you're happy being a "bottom feeder" in hopes that you'll get out of the regional ranks ASAP then fine...but don't expect anything will be given to you.

Wiki-
Defeatism is acceptance of defeat without struggle. . The term is commonly used in the context of war: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason.

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

REALLY bad time to be calling out American Eagle right now. Seriously bad timing.

Nothing personal against you, but why not? They're losing what, 400 pilots? XJT is losing 800 pilots, Mesa is losing 400 pilots, etc. etc.

Everyone is in bad shape, that doesn't mean you can go around calling other pilot groups "Scabs" when they're not even close to that. I know it's not people like you, but the silent majority needs to be known of this phenomenon so they can shut up the loud 10%.

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

the silent majority

On a completly unrelated note, ask a United pilot about the Silent Majority. Heck, check their arm to see if they've got a wrist band on.

But per the thread... there's a fair amount of bad blood between TSA and Eagle. It goes way back, but I'd bet something like this would bring it right to the surface.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Foxcow

I work for Trans States and some of co-workers and I are trying to figure out why some Eagle guys are throwing hatred our way. TSA will be picking up a few routes out of MIA starting in June and I can see how a lot of Eagle guys would see that as an encroachment on their territory but I hope they realize a few things:

-This is a deal between AMR and TSA management (we had no vote)
-TSA is losing a few routes in STL in order for this to happen
-If I'm not mistaken, Eagle will be shifting some stuff to ORD and possibly STL as a result
-We did not have a say in this

We have had a couple of incidents where we were called scabs over the radio.


Any thoughts?

The thing is you couldn't do the flying without our planes?
You know the 16 Eagle planes flown on Eagle routes by TSA crews.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

On a completly unrelated note, ask a United pilot about the Silent Majority. Heck, check their arm to see if they've got a wrist band on.

Is it the opposite of the Vocal Minority?

http://www.ualvocalminority.com/

[FlyingAccountant]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

The thing is you couldn't do the flying without our planes?
You know the 16 Eagle planes flown on Eagle routes by TSA crews.

Ok, so why is that his fault? He's a pilot, not the CEO. Does that really justify the attitudes?

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

The thing is you couldn't do the flying without our planes?
You know the 16 Eagle planes flown on Eagle routes by TSA crews.

They are American routes, not Eagle routes.

They can do whatever they want with them.

Everyone just needs to relax, ride it out, grab a beer, have sex, and hopefully things will turn out all right.

[Clocks]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Don't even think about going there.

They are American routes, not Eagle routes.

They can do whatever they want with them.

Everyone just needs to relax, ride it out, grab a beer, have sex, and hopefully things will turn out all right.

Serious question if I can ask this without sounding too inflammatory: TSA pilots work for thousands of dollars less per year (-$1800, -$7200, -$3600 for the first 3 FO years. $-5400/year for each of the first 3 CA years), I don't know if there is a difference in benefits. Is there ever a point that it becomes the pilots' fault?

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Seggy

They are American routes, not Eagle routes.

They can do whatever they want with them.

Everyone just needs to relax, ride it out, grab a beer, have sex, and hopefully things will turn out all right.

AMR owns the routes. AMR owns AA and AE.
TSA couldn't do the flying with AE planes. The ones that end in AE.
ALPA is working to put a end to the TSA MIA flying.

[Seggy]

Clocks, pilot animosity between different airline groups has been going around for 80+ years. If guys want to talk about me behind my back, or over the radio, whatever. At least be professional and say it to my face. I have thick skin and it won't hurt my feelings. As they say, it is what it is.

The way the current regional contracts are set up, with this fee for departure crap is ridiculous. It does lead to undercutting, but the TSA, Colgan, or CHQ pilots did not set this payment plan up.

I have some very good friends at Eagle as well as Expressjet. I don't want to see them lose their jobs.

[ljg]

It all seems pretty petty looking in from the outside.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Nothing personal against you, but why not? They're losing what, 400 pilots? XJT is losing 800 pilots, Mesa is losing 400 pilots, etc. etc.

Everyone is in bad shape, that doesn't mean you can go around calling other pilot groups "Scabs" when they're not even close to that. I know it's not people like you, but the silent majority needs to be known of this phenomenon so they can shut up the loud 10%.

Geez, must be a full moon, planets aligning and hell freezing over all at once. I agree with Chris 100%.