John McCain statements

[meyers9163]

If already talked about feel free to remove. I actually came across it last night while looking over some stuff and just saw the discussion on another forum as well. Figured I'd see what we have to say about it....

STATEMENT OF SENATOR JOHN McCAIN
CHAIRMAN SENATE COMMITTEE ON
COMMERCE, SCIENCE AND TRANSPORTATION
FULL COMMITTEE HEARING
ON THE STATUS OF LABOR ISSUES IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY
APRIL 25, 2001


We are all aware of the numerous problems facing the aviation industry.
Congestion, delays, and modernization of air traffic control are all issues
that seem to rise to the forefront to be addressed again and again. This
Committee, industry, the regulatory agencies and others have redoubled their
efforts to address these serious problems.

Recently, however, a new problem has risen, creating further havoc in our
system. While labor negotiations in the airline industry have been ongoing
for years, things have begun to worsen. The trend towards larger airlines
has given unions greater leverage which appears to have contributed to a
mind set that views any work stoppage as legitimate. Normally even
acrimonious labor negotiations are a part of the negotiating process with
both sides using what leverage is available to them to reach the best deal.
However, times have changed; these acrimonious negotiations now adversely
affect the American people.

Let me say from the outset that I have no problem with the right to strike.
Strikes are a legal remedy available under applicable labor statutes.
Recently, however, courts have found more and more that labor unions in the
airline industry have engaged in concerted illegal job actions. These
courts have issued temporary restraining orders and injunctions prohibiting
such actions. In recent months, United, American, Northwest, and Delta have
obtained court ordered relief from these alleged illegal job actions. In
American's case, the court fined American's pilots over $45 million for not
adhering to the injunction.

These actions have affected millions of consumers. Middle America has been
stranded time and time again as a result of this illegal union activity.
According to published reports, last year, United cancelled over 23,000
flights as a result of its pilots' refusal to fly overtime, destroying
carefully planned vacations and business trips. Northwest and Delta
cancelled thousands of flights preemptively over the holiday seasons to
combat alleged mechanic slowdowns and failure to fly overtime by pilots,
respectively. The pilots' sickout at American in 1999 left thousands of
people stranded, some of which have banded together to sue the pilots for
damages.

In this day and age, a job action at a major airline can have a catastrophic
effect on the aviation system and the consumer. The rest of the system
would have a difficult time absorbing the excess passengers and the system
could come to a standstill. While management and labor are affected by
this, both parties have contingencies planned in the event of a job action.
The consumer is the one most affected by this increase in labor actions. It
is family flying across country for their vacation, the daughter coming home
from college, and the son going to visit a sick parent who can not reach
their destinations because the unions have taken matters into their own
hands. In the case of pilots, these are people who, according to industry,
on average make $140,000 while working less than 80 hours a month. At the
same time, according to the most recent data in 1999,the average per capita
income was $21,281.

The last two pilot contract negotiations, United and Delta, both of which
had alleged job actions with far reaching effects on the consumer, resulted
in a pay scale where, by the end of the contract, the senior pilots will
make over $280,000 in base pay with the ability to make one-third more for
voluntarily flying 25 more hours a month. Not only should the consumer not
have to suffer as a result of this avarice, but many analysts are concerned
that with labor costs rising so high, airlines will not be able to survive
economically or will at least put themselves in a hole for years to come.
Labor costs for an airline are now projected to be over 33% of its fixed
costs.

Many people argue that management has a choice, but in reality, the choice
is to give in to higher salary demands that a company may not be able to
afford or face a debilitating strike that may cripple the airline and force
it out of business. I don't believe that anyone would argue that is a
choice.

We have convened this hearing to look at these issues. Although this
subject is one that can be very divisive along party lines, I have received
complaints from both sides of the aisle about the current situation. I
welcome the witnesses today and look forward to a lively and spirited
debate.

[joliet]

The better candidate is? Obama? Hillary? A Pro-Labor candidate? There is no such thing as a pro-labor candidate anymore. There certainly isn't going to be a pro-airline labor candidate.

[Asta]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

If already talked about feel free to remove. I actually came across it last night while looking over some stuff and just saw the discussion on another forum as well. Figured I'd see what we have to say about it....

STATEMENT OF SENATOR JOHN McCAIN
CHAIRMAN SENATE COMMITTEE ON
COMMERCE, SCIENCE AND TRANSPORTATION
FULL COMMITTEE HEARING
ON THE STATUS OF LABOR ISSUES IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY
APRIL 25, 2001


We are all aware of the numerous problems facing the aviation industry.
Congestion, delays, and modernization of air traffic control are all issues
that seem to rise to the forefront to be addressed again and again. This
Committee, industry, the regulatory agencies and others have redoubled their
efforts to address these serious problems.

Recently, however, a new problem has risen, creating further havoc in our
system. While labor negotiations in the airline industry have been ongoing
for years, things have begun to worsen. The trend towards larger airlines
has given unions greater leverage which appears to have contributed to a
mind set that views any work stoppage as legitimate. Normally even
acrimonious labor negotiations are a part of the negotiating process with
both sides using what leverage is available to them to reach the best deal.
However, times have changed; these acrimonious negotiations now adversely
affect the American people.

Let me say from the outset that I have no problem with the right to strike.
Strikes are a legal remedy available under applicable labor statutes.
Recently, however, courts have found more and more that labor unions in the
airline industry have engaged in concerted illegal job actions. These
courts have issued temporary restraining orders and injunctions prohibiting
such actions. In recent months, United, American, Northwest, and Delta have
obtained court ordered relief from these alleged illegal job actions. In
American's case, the court fined American's pilots over $45 million for not
adhering to the injunction.

These actions have affected millions of consumers. Middle America has been
stranded time and time again as a result of this illegal union activity.
According to published reports, last year, United cancelled over 23,000
flights as a result of its pilots' refusal to fly overtime, destroying
carefully planned vacations and business trips. Northwest and Delta
cancelled thousands of flights preemptively over the holiday seasons to
combat alleged mechanic slowdowns and failure to fly overtime by pilots,
respectively. The pilots' sickout at American in 1999 left thousands of
people stranded, some of which have banded together to sue the pilots for
damages.

In this day and age, a job action at a major airline can have a catastrophic
effect on the aviation system and the consumer. The rest of the system
would have a difficult time absorbing the excess passengers and the system
could come to a standstill. While management and labor are affected by
this, both parties have contingencies planned in the event of a job action.
The consumer is the one most affected by this increase in labor actions. It
is family flying across country for their vacation, the daughter coming home
from college, and the son going to visit a sick parent who can not reach
their destinations because the unions have taken matters into their own
hands. In the case of pilots, these are people who, according to industry,
on average make $140,000 while working less than 80 hours a month. At the
same time, according to the most recent data in 1999,the average per capita
income was $21,281.

The last two pilot contract negotiations, United and Delta, both of which
had alleged job actions with far reaching effects on the consumer, resulted
in a pay scale where, by the end of the contract, the senior pilots will
make over $280,000 in base pay with the ability to make one-third more for
voluntarily flying 25 more hours a month. Not only should the consumer not
have to suffer as a result of this avarice, but many analysts are concerned
that with labor costs rising so high, airlines will not be able to survive
economically or will at least put themselves in a hole for years to come.
Labor costs for an airline are now projected to be over 33% of its fixed
costs.

Many people argue that management has a choice, but in reality, the choice
is to give in to higher salary demands that a company may not be able to
afford or face a debilitating strike that may cripple the airline and force
it out of business. I don't believe that anyone would argue that is a
choice.

We have convened this hearing to look at these issues. Although this
subject is one that can be very divisive along party lines, I have received
complaints from both sides of the aisle about the current situation. I
welcome the witnesses today and look forward to a lively and spirited
debate.

pre-9/11

[BobDDuck]

Paul, stop talking to yourself.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Paul, stop talking to yourself.

Yeah yeah.... I have that issue sometimes. Its talk to myself or my new dog?

[surreal1221]

Yeah Paul. . .this is Pre-9/11. . .but he is still a major un-friendly labor Senator and Presidential Candidate.

A Democrat in office is our best chance at securing some form of leverage with the NMB.

[SRA_kbad]

"In the case of pilots, these are people who, according to industry,
on average make $140,000 while working less than 80 hours a month."

I thought my paycheck yesterday looked a little short

[P&H]

McCain is jealous bc he lost 5 U.S. Navy airplanes in his career. Good thing daddy was an admiral.

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by SRA_kbad

"In the case of pilots, these are people who, according to industry, on average make $140,000 while working less than 80 hours a month."

He conveniently left out the part about "working" 200 hours/month and getting paid for <100 hours/month.

Originally Posted by meyers9163

In this day and age, a job action at a major airline can have a catastrophic effect on the aviation system and the consumer. The rest of the system would have a difficult time absorbing the excess passengers and the system could come to a standstill.

So wouldn't reason dictate that salary be commensurate with such "catastrophic effect" on the market?

Originally Posted by meyers9163

In the case of pilots, these are people who, according to industry, on average make $140,000 while working less than 80 hours a month. At the same time, according to the most recent data in 1999,the average per capita income was $21,281....the senior pilots will make over $280,000 in base pay

Seems he left out the detail that the pilots were already making $280,000 when the government allowed the airlines to raid their pensions and slice their pay by 50%.

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Not only should the consumer not have to suffer as a result of this avarice, but many analysts are concerned that with labor costs rising so high,

What? No comparison consumers/employees suffering while CEOs earn 600% of their employees average wages?

Bigger fish to fry than airline (pilot's) salaries.

[slushie]

This is crap.

I vote for big bird.

[Doug Taylor]

Big Bird's not a citizen man.

[slushie]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Big Bird's not a citizen man.

Snuffaluffagus?

He seems gentle, and kind...would be great at diplomacy.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by slushie

Snuffaluffagus?

He seems gentle, and kind...would be great at diplomacy.

He's on the sex offender list.

[slushie]

Ah, Ted Kennedy got away with murder...

[Doug Taylor]

Try Deputy Dawg, I think he's open these days. Got a l'il bit of Fred Thompson in him so you can probably do ok in some of those areas.

[MQAAord]

Nah, my vote is for Mickey Mouse. He's loved the world over, has a history of problem solving and diplomacy, and can win votes in any demographic! He's a shoo-in!

[flymo]

[H46Bubba]

I always laugh when I read his comment about airlines pilots! His son is CA on the 777 at American Airlines! I wonder if his own son would vote for him?

[Doug Taylor]

This is like third hand perspective that I have no first-hand experience with but learned thru just talking to some of my co-workers over the years.

So uhh, take it with a grain of salt until some other former military-gone-airline pilot confirms or denies.

Some of that attitude might be because of often times, when a pilot expresses interest about leaving the military to pursue airline employment, they're sometimes treated like pariahs for wanting to leave.

McCain's probably been around enough to see enough of his officers disappear to United, Delta, America, Pan Am, etc (back in the day obviously) to let that disdain fester for a little too long.

[surreal1221]

He's just a grumpy old man.

Nothing more.

Nevertheless. . .

[Waltpilot8]

Wow! This convinces me pretty much every republican is now owned by the corporate execs! I could barely finish reading the rest of the article I was so pissed. It just kills me when these politicians talk about the airline industry as if they work in it. Well, that one article made up my mind, Obama is for surely getting my vote!

[slushie]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

He's just a grumpy old man.

Nothing more.

Nevertheless. . .

The thing is, their FAMILIES are also "Americans who rely upon them."

How is refusing to work overtime being selfish?

[sdfcvoh]

If it ain't Steve Urkel, I'm not even going to get up on election morning.

[granlistillo]

Originally Posted by P&H

McCain is jealous bc he lost 5 U.S. Navy airplanes in his career. Good thing daddy was an admiral.

I'll run the risk that you have a wierd sense of humor, but that sir is an asinine statement.

[Waltpilot8]

"The middle class has hurt the profits of my campaign contributors, therefore I believe it is in America's best interest to eliminate them."

What a sellout.