RAH E190s (Payrate)

[OldTownPilot]

Heh, so mainline scope is one of those damned if you do, damned if you dont type deals?

If they hold on to scope, they are restricting regional growth killing my company, and If they let you have some airplanes they are ruining the industry?

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by Airdale

Did they vote down the payrate? Or the airplane?

Both, some voted on principle and others on the pay rates.

Every single one of you are absolutely FULL of it if you would not BID on the larger aircraft at your company for the extra few dollars you get to fly it. Please please spare us the internet hero crap. Gas prices are above $3.50, I wouldn't believe anyone of you liars about not bidding or wanting to fly the larger equipment at your current company for extra money.

Well, we have a blended rate, but I would trade QOL/days off for the extra money and the glamor of flying the bigger airplane. Not trying to be a hero, it's all about the days off.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

Heh, so mainline scope is one of those damned if you do, damned if you dont type deals?

If they hold on to scope, they are restricting regional growth killing my company, and If they let you have some airplanes they are ruining the industry?

Huh? Where did we talk about restricting regional growth? I don't want mainline to give up more scope! I just don't want them to take back what they've given before I get my PIC time. Simple really. I have financial and family plans that currently rely on my employer. Our company relies on that scope. So until I have the PIC time to move up to mainline, I'll take the scope right where it is thank you. Oh but I guess thats selfish too isn't it! You guys want my bank account number?

Originally Posted by EDUC8-or

Well, we have a blended rate, but I wouldn't trade QOL/days off for the extra money and the glamor of flying the bigger airplane. Not trying to be a hero, it's all about the days off.

I edited what I think you meant to say, but yes I definitely agree with you. Although I need to work my tail off for the next couple of years because I need the dough. QOL is the most important reason I came to RAH. So far, its been a great decision....as I sit here on my couch 30mins from the airport.

[Doug Taylor]

Careful about 'boo hooing' Airways. If they eat it, a lot of regionals are going to be dragged under as well.

You guys need to realize that unless your aircraft says "Connection" or "Express" on the side, your success or failure is directly related to the success or failure of the name to the left of the "Connection" or "Express".

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by Airdale

I edited what I think you meant to say, but yes I definitely agree with you. Although I need to work my tail off for the next couple of years because I need the dough. QOL is the most important reason I came to RAH. So far, its been a great decision....as I sit here on my couch 30mins from the airport.

That's the way I meant to say it, but it means the same either way. I meant I would give up/trade the money for the days off, but if you flip flop it I wouldn't trade days off for the extra money.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Careful about 'boo hooing' Airways. If they eat it, a lot of regionals are going to be dragged under as well.

You guys need to realize that unless your aircraft says "Connection" or "Express" on the side, your success or failure is directly related to the success or failure of the name to the left of the "Connection" or "Express".

Perhaps this is why I am more so vocal and ok with mainline getting their flying back. Because really this is the ultimate truth. Until there is no connection, express you are a regional and therefore the name before goes, well there you go......

[FlyChicaga]

Does anyone know if Air Canada will hire you prior to becoming a Canadian citizen and transferring certificates?

Seriously. I want out of this debacle.

[Snuggle]

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

Does anyone know if Air Canada will hire you prior to becoming a Canadian citizen and transferring certificates?

Seriously. I want out of this debacle.

You have to have Canadian certs and immigrant status. You can check out a immigration website for requirements to obtain immigrant status and go from there. If you need more info PM me. It isn't easy but it's not as hard as going from Canada to USA. There is a point system you can evaluate on your own to see if you possibly qualify. It takes some time and lots of paperwork to immigrate to Canada. After you complete all that then you can apply to Air Canada or other Canadian airlines.
It's not as simple as converting your licenses over, the immigrant status or right to work in Canada is the hard part.

[wheelsup]

Is it easier to immigrate to Canada if your wife is Canadian? Also we are both US citizens, would I have dual citizenship if I immigrated to Canada? (Wife has US and Canadian citizenships) I've been thinking more and more about it, although it is rather cold up there.

[Snuggle]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

Is it easier to immigrate to Canada if your wife is Canadian? Also we are both US citizens, would I have dual citizenship if I immigrated to Canada? (Wife has US and Canadian citizenships) I've been thinking more and more about it, although it is rather cold up there.

Yea it's easier, she can sponsor you. Not sure about the dual but I don't see why not.
Here is the website with the info, http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/immigra...nsor/index.asp

[EDUC8-or]

Man, those Canucks sure are friendly, we saw Air Canadia up in DCA and LGA yesterday and they were all waving hello. Good stuff!

[Airdale]

I'd fly for Air Canada in a heartbeat. Everybody likes to knock the Canadians, but damn, their system is much better than ours.

Off topic, but when a few years ago I met some Canadian Coasties, they've got some neat SAR boats.

[johnso28]

Originally Posted by Kingairer

Its only a matter of time. When not if.

Yeah, OK. I've got news for you. There's nothing else for management to take, so they really can't threaten to take if we don't cave on scope!!!!!!!!!!!! NO REGIONAL will be getting E190s, PERIOD!


I will NOT GIVE IN on my scope.

[johnso28]

Originally Posted by Airdale

I am happy my friend. Very.



Maybe you should try to analyze the motive's of Legacy pilots, rather than Regional pilots. The way I see it, mainline pilots want bigger, better and for more money. E175's are not Bigger, they're not better and they're not more money.

Why not question the pilots at Airways, Delta or any other Legacy letting their Regional partners fly around with 50+ seats. Why would they let us fly such big airplanes? Simple. Mainline pilots care about widebody flying dude, and guess what, thats where the money is and thats what they want to be the focus of their career. I understand their thought process quite well. The old mainline dudes have been pulling the ladder up behind them every step of the way. What else is new?




Regional lifer? Na, I work for a National Airline, you know with all of them PHL-HOU, PHL-MCO turns. That'd be one hell of a Region to include a couple time zones. I'll go where ever my career takes me. If it leaves me here, than so be it. There's more to life than flying heavy metal. You'll see when you get married, buy a house and start planning a family. This is just my job. As long as it keeps me happy and lets me live comfortable, I don't care whose name is on the paycheck.

As far as the size of the airplanes, apparently you missed the other reply I gave. While flying here, I want the highest pay the company has to offer. Larger Airplanes = Higher pay. Is that good for the industry? No it isn't. Is it good for me and my wife and our soon to be little family? You bet it is. The E175 CA pay is higher than the 170. I hope the 175's dominate the fleet when I'm a CA.

190's? I hope they don't come here, but I'm won't go screaming and running in the other direction because its bad for the industry. If the pay is much greater than the 175, I'll fly it. Remember the equation. Larger Airplanes=More money. Bad for the industry? Yup. Good for me and my family? Absolutely. Notice a comparison with the Mainline pilots mentality? They would scope out their 737 flying if it meant getting MEGA Pregnant Whale Airbus airplanes. Why? Because they care about widebody flying and $$$$$.

If they want to keep throwing bigger airplanes to my employer, I'll fly them with fair compensation. If you disagree with any of that, you're a liar dude. Everyone on here likes to portray the "Industry Hero". Well guess what, you're just a pawn like the rest of us. Nevertheless, not you or anybody else on here will fess up and admit that THEY themselves would lay down their internet crusader swords and fly a bigger airplane for more pay at their current employer. Again, you want to call me out, then quit your job and I'll believe you.

Besides, when was the last time you drove a -700? Or -900 for that matter? Did you call CS and complain that you can't fly them because they take mainline jobs? No...you didn't. You gladly accepted the mission in return for monetary compensation comensurate with industry standard. Yeah yeah yeah..but my attitude is dangerous for the industry.....yeah yeah yeah....

You don't understand the process AT ALL! Your mentality hurts the process. Why can't you see the forest through the trees?


There are many pilots at NWA who prefer the NB flying over the WB flying. Others prefer WB over NB. Not everyone cares about reaching the top of the pay scale. Your willingness to fly mainline airplanes for regional payrates hurts your family's income and future. Stop looking at right now, and think about later. Several times you posted Larger Airplanes = Higher Pay. Well here's another one for you More mainline airplanes at Regionals = LESS jobs at Mainline, once again HURTING your family's future and income.

I will NOT scope out DC9/A320 for ANYTHING. And the E175s/CRJ900s at NWA come with a flow-back. Those were a result of 9/11 and bankruptcy. Many guys sold out scope to keep their pensions. There really aren't pensions anymore, and pay was slashed in BK, so what makes you think mainline guys are gonna further sell out scope? So we can get more WB's? WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, we'll go for more WB's, and E190s/CRJ1000s so there can be MORE revenue, more mainline jobs, and more pay for your wife and soon to be family. And if this DAL/NWA merger goes through, you can bet there will be LESS 76 seat jets in the DAL fleet then there are today.

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by johnso28

Why can't you see the forest through the trees?

Not to be the expression police but I'm pretty sure its "the forest for the trees".

But I'm picking up what you are laying down.

[johnso28]

Originally Posted by inside0ut

Not to be the expression police but I'm pretty sure its "the forest for the trees".

But I'm picking up what you are laying down.

DOH!

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Until there is no connection, express you are a regional and therefore the name before goes, well there you go......

Is that a real sentence?

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by johnso28

You don't understand the process AT ALL! Your mentality hurts the process. Why can't you see the forest through the trees?


There are many pilots at NWA who prefer the NB flying over the WB flying. Others prefer WB over NB. Not everyone cares about reaching the top of the pay scale. Your willingness to fly mainline airplanes for regional payrates hurts your family's income and future. Stop looking at right now, and think about later. Several times you posted Larger Airplanes = Higher Pay. Well here's another one for you More mainline airplanes at Regionals = LESS jobs at Mainline, once again HURTING your family's future and income.

I will NOT scope out DC9/A320 for ANYTHING. And the E175s/CRJ900s at NWA come with a flow-back. Those were a result of 9/11 and bankruptcy. Many guys sold out scope to keep their pensions. There really aren't pensions anymore, and pay was slashed in BK, so what makes you think mainline guys are gonna further sell out scope? So we can get more WB's? WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, we'll go for more WB's, and E190s/CRJ1000s so there can be MORE revenue, more mainline jobs, and more pay for your wife and soon to be family. And if this DAL/NWA merger goes through, you can bet there will be LESS 76 seat jets in the DAL fleet then there are today.

WOW! You have it all figured out! Not only that, but you know exactly the point I was trying to make without even taking the time to read the topic from the beginning. Seriously man...step away from flying now! You'd be much better off as an intranet warrior!!

I'm done beating this topic to death. Good on you for protecting your scope. Yippee!! Kudos!! U da man!!! Yahoo!!!



I'm gonna leave this poor horse alone now.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

Does anyone know if Air Canada will hire you prior to becoming a Canadian citizen and transferring certificates?

Seriously. I want out of this debacle.

...just wait for the new North American Union to take affect, then it would be far easier. Seriously!

[Kingairer]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

We need to think up JC gang signs so if you have the premonition that you know someone, you can flash a sign or something!

We do, its called pimpin the deuce doug.

[Kingairer]

I guess newhires now have nightly pillow talk sessions with the CEO himself...I guess newhires come out of the gates with all the info now. "We ARENT getting 190s"...Says who? Are you sitting in board meetings?? "I wont fly them unless we get a good 190 rate!"...well yes you will, or youll have to quit, we already have a rate if its under 100 pax. "our union will not allow it!"...HA...Yeah, just like they wont allow illegal displacements.... Unless someone of you have inside info on board meetings, then you dont know anything about what we are or arent getting, you just can regergitate what youve heard. this "chicken-egg" conversation about regionals has been killed all over message boards, and i doubt anyones mind has ever been changed. Have a beer and Happy St Pats Day!

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by Kingairer

I guess newhires now have nightly pillow talk sessions with the CEO himself...I guess newhires come out of the gates with all the info now. "We ARENT getting 190s"...Says who? Are you sitting in board meetings?? "I wont fly them unless we get a good 190 rate!"...well yes you will, or youll have to quit, we already have a rate if its under 100 pax. "our union will not allow it!"...HA...Yeah, just like they wont allow illegal displacements.... Unless someone of you have inside info on board meetings, then you dont know anything about what we are or arent getting, you just can regergitate what youve heard. this "chicken-egg" conversation about regionals has been killed all over message boards, and i doubt anyones mind has ever been changed. Have a beer and Happy St Pats Day!

I'll fly 190's if they get here, but I won't vote in favor of a contract unless the payrate is acceptable.

But then again I am just an Airline PIRATE! YAR!
I rape, pillage and plunder mainline airplanes for Regional pilots! Ye scallywags will never change me ways!

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Kingairer

We do, its called pimpin the deuce doug.

Ahhh yeah. Whut WHUT!

[777forever]

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

Does anyone know if Air Canada will hire you prior to becoming a Canadian citizen and transferring certificates?

Seriously. I want out of this debacle.

Have you looked into Emirates?

Originally Posted by johnso28

Yeah, OK. I've got news for you. There's nothing else for management to take, so they really can't threaten to take if we don't cave on scope!!!!!!!!!!!! NO REGIONAL will be getting E190s, PERIOD!


I will NOT GIVE IN on my scope.

Can the the 190s at the regionals theory guys tell me again how they think 190s will get to the regionals? Im not getting the thought process.

[FlyChicaga]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Have you looked into Emirates?

Do they have hockey, gorgeous women, Molson, Labatts, and Don Cherry in Dubai? I think NOT!