RAH E190s (Payrate)

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Whatever makes you happy Dave.... I am glad you are happy that's my ultimate goal to put a smile on your face.

I am happy my friend. Very.

Originally Posted by meyers9163

135 sounds great..... but why would CAL stick around and be the only one who flies the E175 at the major level if others are willing to ##### themselves out at much less. But I guess when your pay scale tops out at 124 ater 18 years thats better then 135 after 3 years.....

Maybe you should try to analyze the motive's of Legacy pilots, rather than Regional pilots. The way I see it, mainline pilots want bigger, better and for more money. E175's are not Bigger, they're not better and they're not more money.

Why not question the pilots at Airways, Delta or any other Legacy letting their Regional partners fly around with 50+ seats. Why would they let us fly such big airplanes? Simple. Mainline pilots care about widebody flying dude, and guess what, thats where the money is and thats what they want to be the focus of their career. I understand their thought process quite well. The old mainline dudes have been pulling the ladder up behind them every step of the way. What else is new?

Originally Posted by meyers9163

CAL is your goal yet you are all about regionals flying Crj900/CRJ700/E175/E190s.... your logic is one I might put into a book for pilots hand book for........the soon to be regional lifers?

Regional lifer? Na, I work for a National Airline, you know with all of them PHL-HOU, PHL-MCO turns. That'd be one hell of a Region to include a couple time zones. I'll go where ever my career takes me. If it leaves me here, than so be it. There's more to life than flying heavy metal. You'll see when you get married, buy a house and start planning a family. This is just my job. As long as it keeps me happy and lets me live comfortable, I don't care whose name is on the paycheck.

As far as the size of the airplanes, apparently you missed the other reply I gave. While flying here, I want the highest pay the company has to offer. Larger Airplanes = Higher pay. Is that good for the industry? No it isn't. Is it good for me and my wife and our soon to be little family? You bet it is. The E175 CA pay is higher than the 170. I hope the 175's dominate the fleet when I'm a CA.

190's? I hope they don't come here, but I'm won't go screaming and running in the other direction because its bad for the industry. If the pay is much greater than the 175, I'll fly it. Remember the equation. Larger Airplanes=More money. Bad for the industry? Yup. Good for me and my family? Absolutely. Notice a comparison with the Mainline pilots mentality? They would scope out their 737 flying if it meant getting MEGA Pregnant Whale Airbus airplanes. Why? Because they care about widebody flying and $$$$$.

If they want to keep throwing bigger airplanes to my employer, I'll fly them with fair compensation. If you disagree with any of that, you're a liar dude. Everyone on here likes to portray the "Industry Hero". Well guess what, you're just a pawn like the rest of us. Nevertheless, not you or anybody else on here will fess up and admit that THEY themselves would lay down their internet crusader swords and fly a bigger airplane for more pay at their current employer. Again, you want to call me out, then quit your job and I'll believe you.

Besides, when was the last time you drove a -700? Or -900 for that matter? Did you call CS and complain that you can't fly them because they take mainline jobs? No...you didn't. You gladly accepted the mission in return for monetary compensation comensurate with industry standard. Yeah yeah yeah..but my attitude is dangerous for the industry.....yeah yeah yeah....

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Airdale

I am happy my friend. Very.



Maybe you should try to analyze the motive's of Legacy pilots, rather than Regional pilots. The way I see it, mainline pilots want bigger, better and for more money. E175's are not Bigger, they're not better and they're not more money.

Why not question the pilots at Airways, Delta or any other Legacy letting their Regional partners fly around with 50+ seats. Why would they let us fly such big airplanes? Simple. Mainline pilots care about widebody flying dude, and guess what, thats where the money is and thats what they want to be the focus of their career. I understand their thought process quite well. The old mainline dudes have been pulling the ladder up behind them every step of the way. What else is new?




Regional lifer? Na, I work for a National Airline, you know with all of them PHL-HOU, PHL-MCO turns. That'd be one hell of a Region to include a couple time zones. I'll go where ever my career takes me. If it leaves me here, than so be it. There's more to life than flying heavy metal. You'll see when you get married, buy a house and start planning a family. This is just my job. As long as it keeps me happy and lets me live comfortable, I don't care whose name is on the paycheck.

As far as the size of the airplanes, apparently you missed the other reply I gave. While flying here, I want the highest pay the company has to offer. Larger Airplanes = Higher pay. Is that good for the industry? No it isn't. Is it good for me and my wife and our soon to be little family? You bet it is. The E175 CA pay is higher than the 170. I hope the 175's dominate the fleet when I'm a CA.

190's? I hope they don't come here, but I'm won't go screaming and running in the other direction because its bad for the industry. If the pay is much greater than the 175, I'll fly it. Remember the equation. Larger Airplanes=More money. Bad for the industry? Yup. Good for me and my family? Absolutely. Notice a comparison with the Mainline pilots mentality? They would scope out their 737 flying if it meant getting MEGA Pregnant Whale Airbus airplanes. Why? Because they care about widebody flying and $$$$$.

If they want to keep throwing bigger airplanes to my employer, I'll fly them with fair compensation. If you disagree with any of that, you're a liar dude. Everyone on here likes to portray the "Industry Hero". Well guess what, you're just a pawn like the rest of us. Nevertheless, not you or anybody else on here will fess up and admit that THEY themselves would lay down their internet crusader swords and fly a bigger airplane for more pay at their current employer. Again, you want to call me out, then quit your job and I'll believe you.

Besides, when was the last time you drove a -700? Or -900 for that matter? Did you call CS and complain that you can't fly them because they take mainline jobs? No...you didn't. You gladly accepted the mission in return for monetary compensation comensurate with industry standard. Yeah yeah yeah..but my attitude is dangerous for the industry.....yeah yeah yeah....

Fair enough dave... At least you are saying you could care less about the rest as long as it favors you. I can honestly respect you for saying that. I understand the family issues I really do. I dont know what you mean by National airline (RAH is still a regional). But by all means I will give ya props for admitting you are looking out for number one especially since you have your family to worry about. Do I agree or disagree with you looking out for number one.... eh that is not for me to concern about. Its what makes you happy and therefore you place it into that priority I understand completely.

700's haha... well i actually havent flown it yet. But I am sticking it to the CRJ200. But obviously if a trip comes on the 700 I'll take it. However its not for any other reason then IOE or Line check most likely. I plan on bidding the CRJ200 for many reasons.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

Now, if you get CAL 170s now.....What are your chances of getting hired by CAL in the future? A hell of a lot less than if CAL got 40 175 to be flown by their own pilots. Get hired by CAL to be paid TWICE what you get now for doing the same job.


Pissing away the future, for short term gain.

Well, then it should be much easier for me to get a job at CAL already holding an ATP type rating on the E170.....now wouldn't it?

I'm not arguing the fact that bigger airplanes at Regionals reduce mainline jobs. I'm arguing that the majority of the Regional pilots playing weiner measuring contests on here would fly larger airplanes at their current gig for more $$$$$$$. I don't believe for one second that some Regional pilot, making peanuts and probably carrying some school debt, wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to fly a larger airplane, RIGHT now for more MONEY.

Thats what this is about. Why argue and piss on each others shoes over something that you can not change? If Airways or somebody else said "Hey, RAH, we want to give you some 190 flying!" and RAH ponied some serious dough for the guys to fly them, this pilot group, and ANY pilot group for that matter, would fly them. Hands down. If I was a Captain, and RAH said we'll pay you $40-50 more per hour to fly the 190, I'd buy a tent and live in the SOB. Money talks.....not a bunch of RJ pilots.

Bad for the industry? Absolutely.

Who do you blame? The Legacy carriers and pilots for putting them out there. Its not our fault. Its like a poker game, we're just playing the side pot while the mainline guys shoot it out on the main pot. Hoping to get a seat at the big table. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

This concept can't be that hard to grasp, especially for a bunch of educated pilots. Right?

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Airdale

Well, then it should be much easier for me to get a job at CAL already holding an ATP type rating on the E170.....now wouldn't it?

Actually they wouldn't care because they don't fly E170's.

As long as it's over 12,500 (for some carriers) and 20,000 for others, an E170 is no mo "pimp" than an ERJ.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Fair enough dave... At least you are saying you could care less about the rest as long as it favors you. I can honestly respect you for saying that. I understand the family issues I really do. I dont know what you mean by National airline (RAH is still a regional). But by all means I will give ya props for admitting you are looking out for number one especially since you have your family to worry about. Do I agree or disagree with you looking out for number one.... eh that is not for me to concern about. Its what makes you happy and therefore you place it into that priority I understand completely.

700's haha... well i actually havent flown it yet. But I am sticking it to the CRJ200. But obviously if a trip comes on the 700 I'll take it. However its not for any other reason then IOE or Line check most likely. I plan on bidding the CRJ200 for many reasons.

Listen man, everybody likes to jump at the chance to type on their keyboard "you could care less about the industry". These are merely young adults, who have yet to see what life is really all about.

Do I care about the industry? Of course I do. Its my future too. But what is life really about? For some, its living their days tied to a cause, fighting for what they believe in, crusading for those who can't crusade themselves. For me, its enjoying time with my wife, starting a little family so I can pass some things along to my kids and enjoy summer days fishing and winter days on the marsh. I love to fly, so much in fact that I had to get into this career just so I could get my fix frequently and at the same time earn the money to take care of the more important things.

If I told my wife that I was going to quit my job, or refuse to fly a larger airplane for a big pay raise because its "bad" for the industry, she'd kick me in the nuts and steal what little green is in my bank account and leave me in a trail of dust. Especially during these times of financial strain in the economy. We need every dollar we can get.

Does this mean that I would cross a picket line or stoop so low as to fly and airplane for undercut wages at a discount airline? Absolutely not. I would stand by my Union brothers on the line and I know my wife would have no problem with that.

I hope 190's don't come here to Republic. I really don't. I think the 170/175's are a perfect fit for current scope. These airplanes allow Republic to stand in a league of its own. The scope damage has already been done, I don't want to see it get worse than that. On the other hand, if 190's come here and the pay is great, well then I'll fly it. By that time I'll probably have a few little Airdale's running around that will probably eat, poop and piss like there's no tomorrow. I'll need every extra dollar for diapers.

[BobDDuck]

Well Dave, I'm glad it's all about you. And I hate to break it to you, but that opinion is not universal among pilots. Sure, some vocal ones are like that, but there are a fair number that care more about the industry then their short term gains.

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

oh ok captain.... right on? I'm getting tired of you dragging many down.... but you have a pm to send as well.... feel free if you have issues buddy!

Tired of me dragging many down? LOL really...PM sent.

[MusketeerMan]

Jeepers...I gotta listen to Meyers more, I didn't know I worked for such a bad company that was tearing down this industry (actually only 2/3 of the company as CHQ doesn't fly these evil airplanes). You'd think people would worry more about their own jobs and their own company than ONE specific other company. Oh well...

Dave..great posts..see you in PHL..

No, we're not getting 190's anytime soon. The only way we'll get ever get them is when/if we're not a regional anymore and we've got the payscale to back it up. But for now, I'll keep flying and hope to keep this job and get to the left seat as quickly as possible. Until then, I'll let Bedford do his job, which is providing a good product for our carriers and making money.

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

Jeepers...I gotta listen to Meyers more, I didn't know I worked for such a bad company that was tearing down this industry. You'd think people would worry more about their own jobs and their own company than ONE specific other company. Oh well...

Dave..great posts..see you in PHL..

Yeah, I know. I still cant figure out what his deal is. lol We should all figure out a PHL M&G since they love to give me 3 hour sits there...

[MusketeerMan]

Originally Posted by inside0ut

Yeah, I know. I still cant figure out what his deal is. lol We should all figure out a PHL M&G since they love to give me 3 hour sits there...

I'm actually CMH based, but am going to try to hook up with Dave during my sits there. I was there yesterday, but missed him by 20 minutes.

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

I'm actually CMH based, but am going to try to hook up with Dave during my sits there. I was there yesterday, but missed him by 20 minutes.

Really? I was there yesterday, had to pick up an extra flight from BDL and then DH back up...wonder if I was there the same time....

[Doug Taylor]

We need to think up JC gang signs so if you have the premonition that you know someone, you can flash a sign or something!

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

We need to think up JC gang signs so if you have the premonition that you know someone, you can flash a sign or something!

LOL thats whats up! I always feel weird when I go up to someone and ask "Ummm, you wouldn't happen to post on JC do you?" If we do that, we can just throw the sign and be like, whats up...

Then again, throw the sign at the wrong guy and many more people will think I'm insane.....

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

We need to think up JC gang signs so if you have the premonition that you know someone, you can flash a sign or something!

yea... that's called an "inner circle decoder ring"

as in... come to NJC and get one!

[adreamer]

Well, Kristie, love to come to NJC 08...as long as I do not have re-current that month. Maybe I should just put a JC sticker on my flight bag.

Airdale, fair question to ask you. In case, E190 come onto CHQ and Republic property with as current pay rate. Would you fly it? Do you think CHQ/Republic/Shuttle America still a regional airline?

[EDUC8-or]

Man, this place feels like flightinfo...

Originally Posted by Airdale

Regional lifer? Na, I work for a National Airline, you know with all of them PHL-HOU, PHL-MCO turns. That'd be one hell of a Region to include a couple time zones. I'll go where ever my career takes me. If it leaves me here, than so be it. There's more to life than flying heavy metal. You'll see when you get married, buy a house and start planning a family. This is just my job. As long as it keeps me happy and lets me live comfortable, I don't care whose name is on the paycheck.

That paycheck will be much smaller at a regional, oops, sorry... I mean "National." I thought I saw a decal on the side of the 175 I rode on yesterday that said "Air Transport World 2008 Regional Airline of the Year." You might want to call them and straighten them out. Also, you could be doing those PHL-MCO turns in a 737 or Airbus making much more.

As far as the size of the airplanes, apparently you missed the other reply I gave. While flying here, I want the highest pay the company has to offer. Larger Airplanes = Higher pay. Is that good for the industry? No it isn't. Is it good for me and my wife and our soon to be little family? You bet it is. The E175 CA pay is higher than the 170. I hope the 175's dominate the fleet when I'm a CA.

Oh boy...

190's? I hope they don't come here, but I'm won't go screaming and running in the other direction because its bad for the industry. If the pay is much greater than the 175, I'll fly it. Remember the equation. Larger Airplanes=More money. Bad for the industry? Yup. Good for me and my family? Absolutely. Notice a comparison with the Mainline pilots mentality? They would scope out their 737 flying if it meant getting MEGA Pregnant Whale Airbus airplanes. Why? Because they care about widebody flying and $$$$$.

No, actually they care about QOL just like you. There may be a very small percentage of pilots that only care about widebodies, but judging from the guys I run across at Airways they would take QOL any day.

If they want to keep throwing bigger airplanes to my employer, I'll fly them with fair compensation. If you disagree with any of that, you're a liar dude. Everyone on here likes to portray the "Industry Hero". Well guess what, you're just a pawn like the rest of us. Nevertheless, not you or anybody else on here will fess up and admit that THEY themselves would lay down their internet crusader swords and fly a bigger airplane for more pay at their current employer. Again, you want to call me out, then quit your job and I'll believe you.

Well, he does work at an airline that said "No" to CRJ-900's, granted he wasn't here at the time.

Besides, when was the last time you drove a -700? Or -900 for that matter? Did you call CS and complain that you can't fly them because they take mainline jobs? No...you didn't. You gladly accepted the mission in return for monetary compensation comensurate with industry standard. Yeah yeah yeah..but my attitude is dangerous for the industry.....yeah yeah yeah....

He's never flown the 700. Not yet at least. See the above comment about the 900's being voted down by the pilot group at his employer.

Originally Posted by Airdale

Well, then it should be much easier for me to get a job at CAL already holding an ATP type rating on the E170.....now wouldn't it?

Actually, it would have been just as easy to upgrade at Colgan, get some PIC time, and apply. Two of my former flight students went to Great Lakes, upgraded, and they now are on reserve in EWR on the 75/76.

The 170 and 175 are superior to any Bombardier product. It's really a great airplane. I don't have a problem with RAH, I DO have a problem with the attitude they're better or different than any other regional. I just shake my head when I hear things like "We're not a regional." and "I hope the E-175 dominates our fleet." It seems like I've come across quite a few junior guys over there with this kind of attitude. If I get an FO with views like that I'll educate him on the facts and that usually straightens them out. If you don't believe me, go back and read the posts where Meyers and I butted heads.

I guess one good thing about having the furloughed Airways peeps on our property was they brought experience and taught us perspective about the industry. They know what it's like to be thrown under the bus and have seen what greed does. I hope to one day be at a Mainline carrier getting paid more AND working under a better contract that provides greater QOL. As we all know, the amount of bigger airplanes at the regional level directly affects the amount of jobs at the Mainline level.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Airdale

Listen man, everybody likes to jump at the chance to type on their keyboard "you could care less about the industry". These are merely young adults, who have yet to see what life is really all about.

From what you posted and prior track I have no reason to think anything less man. I have no reason to believe you would not put your family 1st. In addition I have no reason to doubt that if RAH were to ask you about the E190's you would then put the industry 1st like you said and vote them down. I have no arguements there. Like you said you do care about the industry but at the same time do have your family to worry about. Therefore like I said you are right there and honest with it therefore I have no argument about what you have said. From the sounds you've been honest and that's all anyone could ask for man.... Side note... i still have your back against those big brown crews !

[Doug Taylor]

I'm not even sure what you fanboys are even arguing about!

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

Jeepers...I gotta listen to Meyers more, I didn't know I worked for such a bad company that was tearing down this industry (actually only 2/3 of the company as CHQ doesn't fly these evil airplanes). You'd think people would worry more about their own jobs and their own company than ONE specific other company. Oh well...

It was really meant to be a conversation about the payrates. Already answered by I assume one of your pilots. That really all I was inquiring about. Not if you had them coming, if they were, what not. However its always a heated debate when you talk about 70+ seat AC (any type) at a regional level.

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

No, we're not getting 190's anytime soon. The only way we'll get ever get them is when/if we're not a regional anymore and we've got the payscale to back it up. But for now, I'll keep flying and hope to keep this job and get to the left seat as quickly as possible. Until then, I'll let Bedford do his job, which is providing a good product for our carriers and making money.

Fair enough....

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I'm not even sure what you fanboys are even arguing about!

Yeah.... E175/E190s/CRJ900s/CRJ1000's being at the regional level? I thought it where it spun off to. But really was asking what the theory behind the 76-100 seat ac payscale was all about with RAH. Not every REGIONAL has scales set up for 100 seat AC and I was wondering....

[Doug Taylor]

Are you guys working it out alright or have egos been stepped on and combatants grabbing their keyboards and screaming "To ARMS! Over the trench walls, boys!"

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Are you guys working it out alright or have egos been stepped on and combatants grabbing their keyboards and screaming "To ARMS! Over the trench walls, boys!"

Come on now doug. Look at the characters involved, dont you think the egos are large enough where it'd take one might fat ladying singing and stepping to deflate them the slightest...... Maybe a few grenades thrown through PMs but that's always the fun stuff.

[Dan208B]

Reserve in EWR? So much for QOL... I dont know about everyone else but I already built my snowfort here and am all stocked up on snowballs, ready for an attack. Try it, I dare you.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by EDUC8-or

That paycheck will be much smaller at a regional, oops, sorry... I mean "National." I thought I saw a decal on the side of the 175 I rode on yesterday that said "Air Transport World 2008 Regional Airline of the Year." You might want to call them and st