Dear Airlines and Unionized Pilots

[surreal1221]

Thing is with teachers though (and I sense your sarcasm). . .

Is that they are paid for 9 months of work (or here in GA - 180 days) over a 365 day pay period.

So. . .they're not being PAID for their time off (Summers, Holidays).

Just wanted to clarify.

[EDUC8-or]

So they make 30+ grand and don't even work 1/2 of a calendar year (180/365)? Man, that makes the gig that much better! Imagine how much they would make if they worked a full year!



BTW I'm not trying to hijack the thread, I'm trying to use The Jedi Mind Trick.

[surreal1221]

Sure, they work 180 school days, 9 months. Their pay though is spread through out (in Georgia - 12 pay periods) 12 months.

But. . .of course, teachers are paid too much

[Kristie]

quite a few now a days do work year round and don't get much of an increase in pay.

[surreal1221]

Exactly.

Suffice it to say that I am not surprised that our children disrespect teachers overall because of the wide spread knowledge that "If you don't make enough money, I don't need to respect you."

Kids get that from their parents.

But uh - oh - here I go with generalizations again.

Anyway - enough thread hi-jack, back to spreading the informational education towards the fine individual who made the original post.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Kristie

or IS this flamebait? you can typically tell if it's flamebait if the OP never comes back to converse about the subject.

Ding!

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Sure, they work 180 school days, 9 months. Their pay though is spread through out (in Georgia - 12 pay periods) 12 months.

But. . .of course, teachers are paid too much

I'm pretty sure that GA teachers are able to pick whether they want to get paid over 12 months or 9 months. Still the same amount of money, but different pay schedule.

I agree with Obama: teachers that get their Masters should be able to make $100k by the end of their careers. As it stands in GA now, a teacher can barely break $60k by the end of their career with a PHD.

[kellwolf]

Ya know, thinking back on this, I'm starting to look for a bridge with a resident underneath......

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

I'm pretty sure that GA teachers are able to pick whether they want to get paid over 12 months or 9 months. Still the same amount of money, but different pay schedule.

Correct, my wife verified this.

Nevertheless, it's still only 180 days worth of pay.

[HercDriver130]

someone help save the profession.....put a bullet in his head. ( metaphorically of course )...

[future777captain]

I'd rather be a teacher than a flight instructor, but I'd also rather be a carrier pilot over a teacher.
Pilots have less stress.

[charlie1017]

Originally Posted by future777captain

I'd rather be a teacher than a flight instructor, but I'd also rather be a carrier pilot over a teacher.
Pilots have less stress.

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by future777captain

I'd rather be a teacher than a flight instructor, but I'd also rather be a carrier pilot over a teacher.
Pilots have less stress.

Care to elaborate?

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by future777captain

I'd rather be a teacher than a flight instructor, but I'd also rather be a carrier pilot over a teacher.
Pilots have less stress.

Says the guy who isn't a pilot.

[777forever]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

Says the guy who isn't a pilot.

[charlie1017]

Pure unadulterated flamebait...

[calcapt]

There are many like 777 that have stars in their eyes when it comes to becoming a professional pilot. Those that have gone ahead of him have discovered that although flying an airplane is a pretty cool job, the glamor and easy living lifestyle are pretty elusive for the most part. One is more likely to discover ugly things like fatigue, industry instability and management that in most cases is hostile and non supportive. The future of our industry largely depends on guys like 777 recognizing that the skill and judgment he provides any future employer should be repaid in kind with respect, a safe operating environment and a fair wage that recognizes the awesome skill and responsibility that professional pilots exhibit every day. My advice to 777: Forget the image you have of sitting in a 777 right now and how cool it would be. Study hard on fundamentals like weather, communications, aircraft systems and things that will fortify your foundation. Take your flight training very seriously and try to end each day being a better pilot than you were the day before. Ask lots of questiions and listen more than you talk. Be humble in your training and avoid the trap of believing you are a better pilot than you really are. Even us old guys learn something new almost every flight so long as our egos don't get in the way. Your excitement and enthusiasm will carry you far if you stay focused and keep believing in yourself. These are your friends here at JC and they have a wealth of information to draw upon - use it. Forget about how much you will be willing to accept for your services once you do become employable and just focus on being the best pilot you can be. Strive every day to raise your standards and take a lot of pride in becoming a pilot. Your hard work and dedication will pay off one day and you will be the one sitting here sharing your old timers wisdom with the young bucks that will surely follow. I think you will be telling them the same thing you are hearing from others here. I am convinced you will be a great pilot 777, and it would be my pleasure to someday share a seat on the flight deck with you. One last thing 777: I would suggest you limit saying silly things about the industry like "pilots have less stress than teachers" and other things that are not anchored in fact. These comments can be considered inflammatory to some since you really don't know how much stress the average professional pilot experiences. Just be careful not to alienate those here that you will come to depend upon for help and information. See, you got a lesson and didn't even have to pay for it.....

[VF-213]

As a former Naval aviator who flew off carriers I know a wee bit about skill set....
I don't want to be sucked into an argument with an idiot but really.... perhaps you can land on the deck of a carrier in Microsoft flight sim but that doesn't make you a pilot.

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by calcapt

There are many like 777 that have stars in their eyes when it comes to becoming a professional pilot. Those that have gone ahead of him have discovered that although flying an airplane is a pretty cool job, the glamor and easy living lifestyle are pretty elusive for the most part. One is more likely to discover ugly things like fatigue, industry instability and management that in most cases is hostile and non supportive. The future of our industry largely depends on guys like 777 recognizing that the skill and judgment he provides any future employer should be repaid in kind with respect, a safe operating environment and a fair wage that recognizes the awesome skill and responsibility that professional pilots exhibit every day. My advice to 777: Forget the image you have of sitting in a 777 right now and how cool it would be. Study hard on fundamentals like weather, communications, aircraft systems and things that will fortify your foundation. Take your flight training very seriously and try to end each day being a better pilot than you were the day before. Ask lots of questiions and listen more than you talk. Be humble in your training and avoid the trap of believing you are a better pilot than you really are. Even us old guys learn something new almost every flight so long as our egos don't get in the way. Your excitement and enthusiasm will carry you far if you stay focused and keep believing in yourself. These are your friends here at JC and they have a wealth of information to draw upon - use it. Forget about how much you will be willing to accept for your services once you do become employable and just focus on being the best pilot you can be. Strive every day to raise your standards and take a lot of pride in becoming a pilot. Your hard work and dedication will pay off one day and you will be the one sitting here sharing your old timers wisdom with the young bucks that will surely follow. I think you will be telling them the same thing you are hearing from others here. I am convinced you will be a great pilot 777, and it would be my pleasure to someday share a seat on the flight deck with you. One last thing 777: I would suggest you limit saying silly things about the industry like "pilots have less stress than teachers" and other things that are not anchored in fact. These comments can be considered inflammatory to some since you really don't know how much stress the average professional pilot experiences. Just be careful not to alienate those here that you will come to depend upon for help and information. See, you got a lesson and didn't even have to pay for it.....

This is the way to get your point across.

Originally Posted by VF-213

As a former Naval aviator who flew off carriers I know a wee bit about skill set....
I don't want to be sucked into an argument with an idiot but really.... perhaps you can land on the deck of a carrier in Microsoft flight sim but that doesn't make you a pilot.

This is not.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by future777captain

I'd rather be a teacher than a flight instructor, but I'd also rather be a carrier pilot over a teacher.
Pilots have less stress.

While not a carrier pilot I have seen plenty of launches and recoveries onboard the USS Ranger.

If think there is no stress landing on a pitch black, pitching and rolling flight deck in the middle of the ocean you have a lot to learn.

Don't worry about where you are going. Enjoy the time it takes you to get there.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by future777captain

I'd rather be a teacher than a flight instructor, but I'd also rather be a carrier pilot over a teacher.
Pilots have less stress.

So, how is a flight instructor NOT a teacher? Kinda curious how all those "students" get to where they are without being "taught" by an "instructor."

As for pilots having less stress.....wow. Can't wait to hear how that one gets explained.

[777forever]

Originally Posted by JEP

While not a carrier pilot I have seen plenty of launches and recoveries onboard the USS Ranger.

If think there is no stress landing on a pitch black, pitching and rolling flight deck in the middle of the ocean you have a lot to learn.

Don't worry about where you are going. Enjoy the time it takes you to get there.

My sim instructor said on his first night carrier landing you couldn't stick a needle up his butt with a sledgehammer

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

This is the way to get your point across.


This is not.

nicely said!

[future777captain]

calcapt. Out of all the posts I read yours is the most balanced and informative. You're right that my comments seem inflammatory. But my intention was to express feelings of frustration I had toward the industry. I also have shared my opinions with a friend at Air Canada, who saw where I was coming from, but said the industry in North America sucks so bad that there is little that can be done to save it anways.
I will take your words to heart.

To the navy pilot, I didn't mean 'carrier' like aircraft carrier. I meant passenger carrier. I haven't played microsoft sim in years and years.

Someone said that I am not a real pilot. In reality, I became a pilot the first time I took the control with the instructor. All student pilots are just as much pilots as you. They just haven't reached 'standardized levels.'

[staplegun]

Originally Posted by VF-213

As a former Naval aviator who flew off carriers I know a wee bit about skill set....
I don't want to be sucked into an argument with an idiot but really.... perhaps you can land on the deck of a carrier in Microsoft flight sim but that doesn't make you a pilot.

When were you in VF-213? I was in HS-6 and deployed with CVW-11 and the Black Lions for 2 WestPac's on the USS Enterprise, 1983-1986.


Kevin