What would you do?

Seggy · April 24th, 2008, 15:00

Would you take 500 dollars cash to trade lines with someone junior to you? You would go from a 96 hour line to a line with reserve and about 24 hours of block.

I am going to training the end of the month as well.

JA Yawd Bwoy · April 24th, 2008, 15:07

If your line sucks, too bad for you!

I worked my A** off to get where I am just for you to bribe me back down?

BobDDuck · April 24th, 2008, 15:11

How much is your guarantee on reserve?

For me the answer is obvious. The 96 hour line is worth about 24 more hours then I'd be credited for on reserve (and they never overfly us) so even WITH the $500 I'd be making about $1000 less. Even with your pay rate being less for the 1900, I think you'd still be making more with your hard line.

Oh yeah, and the having a schedule thing.

Personally, Alex, I'll take HELLS NO for 800.

Andrew_VT · April 24th, 2008, 15:24

I voted yes but that was before i realized that you'd lose the over guarantee pay...which means its a wash or you even lose money. So definitely not.

Now if it was just a guarantee credit flying line versus a guarantee reserve line + $500 I'd probably say yes because my crashpad is already paid for and under the table cash is sweet.

BobDDuck · April 24th, 2008, 15:25

Ok, now that I've heard the "special circumstances" involved in this, I'm actually going to say that in this case, it make sense to do.

Seggy · April 24th, 2008, 15:42

I should have gone into more detail.

My 96 hour line would turn into a guarantee line anyway because of my training for the Q. They are going to take the last week and a half to two weeks of scheduled flying from me if I stayed with the full line. So my 96 hour line would turn into a guarantee line anyway because of losing the scheduled flying the last two weeks.

Furthermore, I will be flying the LAST scheduled Beech out of LGA with the line I am being paid to take.

I decided to do it. Take the money and get the second line.

meritflyer · April 24th, 2008, 16:44

Tax free $500? Sure thing!

inside0ut · April 24th, 2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

I should have gone into more detail.

My 96 hour line would turn into a guarantee line anyway because of my training for the Q. They are going to take the last week and a half to two weeks of scheduled flying from me if I stayed with the full line. So my 96 hour line would turn into a guarantee line anyway because of losing the scheduled flying the last two weeks.

Furthermore, I will be flying the LAST scheduled Beech out of LGA with the line I am being paid to take.

I decided to do it. Take the money and get the second line.

I think that was the smart play. You weren't gonna make over guarantee anyway, so the 500 is kinda like you "over guarantee" anyway.

Have fun in the q. I talked to some guys in PIT yesterday who have been flying it. They said they love it!

777forever · April 24th, 2008, 17:09

Mark is going to fly a CTRL-ALT-DELETE Prop

inside0ut · April 24th, 2008, 17:40

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Originally Posted by 777forever

Mark is going to fly a CTRL-ALT-DELETE Prop

Eh, what modern day jet isnt?

777forever · April 24th, 2008, 17:43

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Originally Posted by inside0ut

Eh, what modern day jet isnt?

none, was just playin with Mark cuz he's always talking about CTRL-ALT-DELETE jets

inside0ut · April 24th, 2008, 17:49

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Originally Posted by 777forever

none, was just playin with Mark cuz he's always talking about CTRL-ALT-DELETE jets

Ha its all good, we had this discussion awhile ago.

kellwolf · April 24th, 2008, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Ok, now that I've heard the "special circumstances" involved in this, I'm actually going to say that in this case, it make sense to do.

Yeah, ditto here. I voted "no" b/c of the loss of $$$$. But, if you're not gonna break guarantee anyway, hell yeah do it.

Kristie · April 25th, 2008, 04:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by JA Yawd Bwoy

If your line sucks, too bad for you!

I worked my A** off to get where I am just for you to bribe me back down?

I'm confused on this....and the initial statement doesn't really play well with the forum rules...

might want to clarify yourself.

JA Yawd Bwoy · April 25th, 2008, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristie

I'm confused on this....and the initial statement doesn't really play well with the forum rules...

might want to clarify yourself.

What I mean is if Seggy has worked to get where he is now, He should not let someone bribe him to go back where he struggled to get out of. The way how I wrote is was in a way he should tell the guy/girl!

Kristie · April 25th, 2008, 17:30

the thing you probably don't understand JA is that it's only for one trip (4-6 days), not permanently (this is where it's good to listen and learn the lay of the land vs adding input).

if you're gonna lose $$, commute time or have really crap layovers segs, it's not worth it.

wick81 · April 25th, 2008, 17:48

who pays $500 dollars? What is the benefit of losing 500 dollars and having a line???

Kristie · April 25th, 2008, 17:50

sounds to me like the junior guy is wanting to pay $500 to change trips with seggy.

i think the overall benefit would be having the line and not having to sit reserve for a week much less get whatever trip is awarded you during that reserve time. question comes down to whether the $500 is a profit or a loss considering all factors.

wick81 · April 25th, 2008, 17:56

I guess it makes sense if the overguarantee he will get is greater than 500 dollars. The beech operation is so crazy right now that all rules are thrown out the window anyway.

JA Yawd Bwoy · April 25th, 2008, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristie

the thing you probably don't understand JA is that it's only for one trip (4-6 days), not permanently (this is where it's good to listen and learn the lay of the land vs adding input).

if you're gonna lose $$, commute time or have really crap layovers segs, it's not worth it.

oh!

You see that why I like getting into topics because when I say sumthin stupid, someone is there to straiten me out so i get my facts lined up!

Thanks Kristie! For the 100th time!

Seggy · April 25th, 2008, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by wick81

who pays $500 dollars? What is the benefit of losing 500 dollars and having a line???

He has a ton of stuff going on. He REALLY needed the weekends off, I would have helped him out, however I was not going to sit reserve the whole month straight up with Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Fridays off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wick81

I guess it makes sense if the overguarantee he will get is greater than 500 dollars. The beech operation is so crazy right now that all rules are thrown out the window anyway.

Yep, well the dust has settled our bids closed today and the lines have been awarded.

Because of the craziness that is the Beech 1900 at Colgan this was a very smart move. Looks like it will work out for him and me.

Kristie · April 25th, 2008, 22:24

well, that's cool!

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April 24th, 2008, 15:00	#1
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 5,264	What would you do? Would you take 500 dollars cash to trade lines with someone junior to you? You would go from a 96 hour line to a line with reserve and about 24 hours of block. I am going to training the end of the month as well. __________________ www.alpa.org

April 24th, 2008, 15:11	#3
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,733	Re: What would you do? How much is your guarantee on reserve? For me the answer is obvious. The 96 hour line is worth about 24 more hours then I'd be credited for on reserve (and they never overfly us) so even WITH the $500 I'd be making about $1000 less. Even with your pay rate being less for the 1900, I think you'd still be making more with your hard line. Oh yeah, and the having a schedule thing. Personally, Alex, I'll take HELLS NO for 800. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

April 24th, 2008, 15:24	#4
Andrew_VT Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vermont Posts: 617	Re: What would you do? I voted yes but that was before i realized that you'd lose the over guarantee pay...which means its a wash or you even lose money. So definitely not. Now if it was just a guarantee credit flying line versus a guarantee reserve line + $500 I'd probably say yes because my crashpad is already paid for and under the table cash is sweet.

April 24th, 2008, 15:25	#5
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,733	Re: What would you do? Ok, now that I've heard the "special circumstances" involved in this, I'm actually going to say that in this case, it make sense to do. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

April 24th, 2008, 15:42	#6
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 5,264	Re: What would you do? I should have gone into more detail. My 96 hour line would turn into a guarantee line anyway because of my training for the Q. They are going to take the last week and a half to two weeks of scheduled flying from me if I stayed with the full line. So my 96 hour line would turn into a guarantee line anyway because of losing the scheduled flying the last two weeks. Furthermore, I will be flying the LAST scheduled Beech out of LGA with the line I am being paid to take. I decided to do it. Take the money and get the second line. __________________ www.alpa.org

April 24th, 2008, 16:44	#7
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,738	Re: What would you do? Tax free $500? Sure thing! __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

April 24th, 2008, 17:09	#9
777forever Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ATL Posts: 1,930	Re: What would you do? Mark is going to fly a CTRL-ALT-DELETE Prop __________________ Comm-ASEL, MEL, Inst. CFI, CFII, MEI TT: 700 Part 121 ATR72 FO B.S. Aviation Management-Business Minor Southeastern Oklahoma State University Cum Laude Graduate

April 25th, 2008, 17:30	#16
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 18,758 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What would you do? the thing you probably don't understand JA is that it's only for one trip (4-6 days), not permanently (this is where it's good to listen and learn the lay of the land vs adding input). if you're gonna lose $$, commute time or have really crap layovers segs, it's not worth it. __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

April 25th, 2008, 17:48	#17
wick81 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cornell Country Posts: 79	Re: What would you do? who pays $500 dollars? What is the benefit of losing 500 dollars and having a line???

April 25th, 2008, 17:50	#18
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 18,758 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What would you do? sounds to me like the junior guy is wanting to pay $500 to change trips with seggy. i think the overall benefit would be having the line and not having to sit reserve for a week much less get whatever trip is awarded you during that reserve time. question comes down to whether the $500 is a profit or a loss considering all factors. __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

April 25th, 2008, 17:56	#19
wick81 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cornell Country Posts: 79	Re: What would you do? I guess it makes sense if the overguarantee he will get is greater than 500 dollars. The beech operation is so crazy right now that all rules are thrown out the window anyway.

April 25th, 2008, 22:24	#22
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 18,758 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What would you do? well, that's cool! __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

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