Delta 787 Rumor

[Nick]

Or rumot, if you prefer.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...-received.html

Originally Posted by article

Delta's 767-300s (non-extended range) have the highest number of average cycles in the widebody fleet at nearly 25,000 per aircraft. These aircraft are ripe for replacement, especially with oil well over $100 a barrel. Delta has never made any secret of its desire to replace its 767s with 787 aircraft.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Nick

Or rumot, if you prefer.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...-received.html

a.net hat on!

Actually Delta came out a few months ago and said that they weren't interested in the 787.

Instead saying their 767's the backbone of their international fleet and their current and on order 777 LR's could do the job, instead of buy a new fleet of 80 mil jets.

They said that they'd improve their 767's with 777 style cockpits, and winglets. The winglets would of course add range to the planes and save a lil' gas.

Not sure where the winglet improvement plan is or what happened to it (if anything.)

But, they scrubbed the new 777 style cockpit in 757/767 ER's.

Industry gossip/rumor hat on!

With the pending acquisition of NWA, which has 787's on confirmed order, as well as rolling options. it would seem as if Delta, the new Delta will have 787's.

Hopefully though that flying will be fenced off for a time and operated by Northwest pilots.

Also, Boeing has been stated in the past that DL is a loyal Boeing customer, and they they might open another 787 line, or two for them, as the current 787 line is sold out for a rather long period of time.

And lastly, Boeing over the past couple of months has been teasing peopel saying that they have XXX number of confirmed aircraft orders, but not saying who the planes belong too, or what type of planes they are.

I'm not saying that Delta is the destination, but who knows.

It could be.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

...ooops, just read the article. And it stated much of what I said, lol!

Guess, that I should read before posting!

[GlenWimpy]

There is also a rumor that Memphis might get the 787 for a Delta flight to Paris and Tokyo.

[UPSpilot]

I think Delta should get A-380s because they look cool!

[Cptnchia]

Delta management has publicly stated that they are not interested in the 787-800 that NW has on order. That model doesn't have the range DL wants. What you will most likely see is Delta change the orders to 787-900s, which will not be available until the 2012-2014 time range. Or they could switch the 787 orders for more 777LRs. I also wouldn't bank on anymore Airbus frames.

[Bluto]

Originally Posted by The Official 4/15/08 Q & A

Do we plan on keeping Northwest’s current 787 orders?
• Yes. The combination gives us new international opportunities that will accelerate our fleet growth plans. We will also have an opportunity to exercise options on up to 20 new widebody jets between 2010 and 2013.

[UPSpilot]

Originally Posted by Cptnchia

Delta management has publicly stated that they are not interested in the 787-800 that NW has on order. That model doesn't have the range DL wants. What you will most likely see is Delta change the orders to 787-900s, which will not be available until the 2012-2014 time range. Or they could switch the 787 orders for more 777LRs. I also wouldn't bank on anymore Airbus frames.

I think they should bring back the 500 series L1011. They had lots of range and looked good too. They all had the Frisbee fairing unlike some of the older models.

[Cptnchia]

They also said no hubs would close and no furloughs. If you believe everything coming from Ft Wiget, I have some beach front property close to Doug's house for sale. These guys will say and do whatever they think is necessary to get the deal through DOJ and not stir up the politicians and employees.

[UPSpilot]

Originally Posted by Cptnchia

They also said no hubs would close and no furloughs. If you believe everything coming from Ft Wiget, I have some beach front property close to Doug's house for sale. These guys will say and do whatever they think is necessary to get the deal through DOJ and not stir up the politicians and employees.

And since we are having an Airliners.net moment, I look for MEM to close and CVG to be downsized. Comair to be sold and DC-9s to be parked.

[jtrain609]

How about Comair stapled onto the bottom of the list (along with Compass and Mesaba) and getting all jet aircraft back onto mainline seniority lists.

Now if the two MEC's involved are thinking, they'd find a way to do this. Or at the least, get the airplanes and furlough the regional pilots, putting all the jets back on mainline property, making them mainline jobs.

Sucks for the guys at the regionals, good for the industry as a whole. Heck I'd take a furlough to make this happen, no questions asked.

[UPSpilot]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

How about Comair stapled onto the bottom of the list (along with Compass and Mesaba) and getting all jet aircraft back onto mainline seniority lists.

Now if the two MEC's involved are thinking, they'd find a way to do this. Or at the least, get the airplanes and furlough the regional pilots, putting all the jets back on mainline property, making them mainline jobs.

Sucks for the guys at the regionals, good for the industry as a whole. Heck I'd take a furlough to make this happen, no questions asked.

I agree. 50 seat jets should go away and the mainline should fly all remaining jets. The regionals should go back to being commuters and fly only props on short legs. Flying a jet between CVG and LEX is stupid.

[jtrain609]

True dat, flying legs like IAH-YYZ is even stupider, but we're doing it in ERJ's right now.

Though as usual, we'll watch out for ourselves, screw the guy next to us as hard as possible and call it progress.

[av8or91]

Correct me if wrong but isn't Northwest Airlines supposed to be recieivng the first 787's? So in theory, Delta would be getting some 787's if and when the merger is complete.

[SeanD]

Originally Posted by UPSpilot

And since we are having an Airliners.net moment, I look for MEM to close and CVG to be downsized. Comair to be sold and DC-9s to be parked.

Why would they close MEM or downsize CVG?

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by SeanD

Why would they close MEM or downsize CVG?

No way they will close Memphis! We have a new 11,000 foot runway and a new tower on the way. Its 6 minute from runway to gate verses 26 minute in Atlanta. They don't have room to add a single baggage cart in Atlanta! Our Amsterdam flight is booked every day! We are going to soon have 2 Amsterdam flights and a Paris flight.

I'm also the one who said my U of M tigers would beat the Vols and with the championship , so I might be overly optimistic!

[Polar742]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

How about Comair stapled onto the bottom of the list (along with Compass and Mesaba) and getting all jet aircraft back onto mainline seniority lists.

Now if the two MEC's involved are thinking, they'd find a way to do this. Or at the least, get the airplanes and furlough the regional pilots, putting all the jets back on mainline property, making them mainline jobs.

Sucks for the guys at the regionals, good for the industry as a whole. Heck I'd take a furlough to make this happen, no questions asked.

jtrain,

I really enjoy reading your posts. I'm not picking on you, but the sentiment you reflected is something I heard for the last 4 years at the regionals. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard that in each iteration, I'd be retired drinking Mai Tais and being fanned by my harem. Unfortunately, I fly freight for a living.

I have a couple issues with these sentiments.

First, why should CMR guys be stapled? They're owned by an airline, and should have been merged on the seniority list when bought. That goes for ExpressJet -nee` Britt, Eagle, Henson/Jetstream/Penn Central, ASA and prolly someone else I forgot.

Second, the "airplanes powered by Xmeans" should go, as should the "x" number of seats belong at mainline.

If an aeroplane has Delta painted on the side, it should be flown by pilots on the DL list. If a t-prop has USAirways painted on the side, it should be flown by LCC pilots. When I started my career, and "RJ's" didn't exist, the sentiment was "Jets belong at mainline". Phase II was then "Jets with more than 50 seats belong at mainline". As I left it was "Jets with more than 100 seats belong at mainline" I, personally, don't agree with any of it. The first part of my career was prosperous solely due to the evolution of the commuters, and I went to one that no body was applying to as it was stagnant and had no future. In spite of that, I would have been happier to be hired into DL at the bottom of the list riding a 19 seater to -ville and -burg (Yeah I stole that from staplegun...) layovers and retired on the 777.

IMHO, until the entire thought process of "Props are OK at commuters" stops, there will be no progress on regaining scope. Managment will cry, "We can't afford to run these planes.". I say, you make millions a year, so you should be smart enough to find away to satisfy that market demand.

[Velocipede]

Never believe what an airline is "supposed" to get until they park the plane on your line and bring the maintenance logs inside.

Alaska was "supposed" to be the launch customer for the MD-90. Didn't happen.

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by UPSpilot

I agree. 50 seat jets should go away and the mainline should fly all remaining jets. The regionals should go back to being commuters and fly only props on short legs. Flying a jet between CVG and LEX is stupid.

Tell that to Delta who was flying 737s and MD-88 from CVG to LEX and SDF before Comair took over the routes with 50 seaters.

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

No way they will close Memphis! We have a new 11,000 foot runway and a new tower on the way. Its 6 minute from runway to gate verses 26 minute in Atlanta. They don't have room to add a single baggage cart in Atlanta! Our Amsterdam flight is booked every day! We are going to soon have 2 Amsterdam flights and a Paris flight.

I'm also the one who said my U of M tigers would beat the Vols and with the championship , so I might be overly optimistic!

Boy, I'd sure hate to be there when you get the news that DL is closing their MEM hub! I see CVG going as well, so we'll all have to commute or move. They're building two new terminals at ATL with one being specifically for RJ's which will be out by the new runway. That would allow Delta to re-install jetways at the C and D terminals where DCI carriers park now.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

Boy, I'd sure hate to be there when you get the news that DL is closing their MEM hub! I see CVG going as well, so we'll all have to commute or move. They're building two new terminals at ATL with one being specifically for RJ's which will be out by the new runway. That would allow Delta to re-install jetways at the C and D terminals where DCI carriers park now.

Two things are leaving Cincinnati , Chad Johnson and 80% of Delta .

We'll even take ole Chad up at BNA!

[gtpilot]

Originally Posted by Polar742

First, why should CMR guys be stapled? They're owned by an airline, and should have been merged on the seniority list when bought. That goes for ExpressJet -nee` Britt, Eagle, Henson/Jetstream/Penn Central, ASA and prolly someone else I forgot.

Had a captain suggest that Delta might buy ASA back and staple us to the bottom like that so that we'd be furlough fodder. We laughed and wondered how many of our pilots would believe it if we started that rumor. Yikes!

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

Two things are leaving Cincinnati , Chad Johnson and 80% of Delta .

We'll even take ole Chad up at BNA!

I hate the Bengals, so I could care less where he goes as long as it's not San Diego!

[UPSpilot]

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

Tell that to Delta who was flying 737s and MD-88 from CVG to LEX and SDF before Comair took over the routes with 50 seaters.

Ok. Delta, you were stupid for flying passenger jets between those city pairs.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by gtpilot

Had a captain suggest that Delta might buy ASA back and staple us to the bottom like that so that we'd be furlough fodder. We laughed and wondered how many of our pilots would believe it if we started that rumor. Yikes!

Ha!

Captain who? The one that hangs out with Tanneal?