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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL
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| I thought this might turn out to be a good thread for those newly entering the industry, or even those like me who are still getting our feet wet in our prospective seats. In the few years I have been flying airlines, I have had many opportunities to learn some great ways to approach my flying in a more professional manner. These are all techniques I have come to use in daily operations. In one major airline's flight manual, it says this: Procedures versus Techniques The policies and procedures in the FOM and FRM are gospel. We stay standardized by specifically following prescribed procedures. Technique is the art form. During your first year you will be exposed to many techniques. You’ll most likely sift through these and come up with your own collection. Having the discipline to follow procedure and the savvy to incorporate smoothness, timeliness, and fuel saving techniques, are the hallmarks of the professional airline pilot. This last line in the paragraph stands out the most, and not just because I put it in italics. This is really what being a professional airline pilot is about. We try to give our passengers a smooth ride, and at the same time try to save time and fuel to ensure an efficient, on-time arrival. So what are some techniques that I have been exposed to on the line? I hope you add some of your own. Here is my list:
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There is a reason that there is a set divert fuel. Your last sentense says it all...by overflying that divert gas, you ARE setting yourself up for trouble.
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Internationally, fuel does not seem to be a big factor. When I was flying domestically, it seems as though you were always flying around at close to min fuel. These types of decisions were approached frequently.
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| Old Skool | Since the other guys already told you how bad an idea it is to hold into your reserve fuel, I'll choose another paragraph: Quote:
If you don't have a gate, tell the passengers why you're sitting on the ramp and shut at least one engine down. I can pretty much guarantee you'll save more gas just running the APU than slowing down in flight. As a matter of fact, in some airplanes flying slower burns MORE gas. So there goes that argument. And as far as not creating problems for ground operations...that's their problem, not yours. Just because you're the Captain doesn't mean you are responsible for everyone else's job on the airport.
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| [quote=WalterSobchak;806914] and making PA's at the gate are over the line IMO. QUOTE] A PA by the captain in the gatehouse during an extended delay is entirely appropriate, IMO. It does not have to be a dissertation, but it does legitimize information handed out, comes from an authoritative figure and many times gate agents are too overwhelmed to make simple communicative statements to waiting customers.
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IF YOU ANTICIPATE ARRIVING EARLY, SLOW DOWN IN FLIGHT etc. So it may vary from airport to airport and different companies might prefer different things due to congested ramps.
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"Who cares" is a bad attitude to have. Sorry you feel that way. By the way, a 2.5 minute difference at climb fuel burns multiplied by hundreds of departures per day really adds up. | |
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| Junior Member | I 100% agree. I was working as the gate agent the other day, for XJT in BTR. WX was bad in IAH, and there were ground stops. Flights scheduled to leave BTR at 4P and 455P, both mostly full. You should have seen the mad house that insued, when it was learned that both flights would not leave until after 7P. Having the captain come explain things, on the PA, helped drastically calm people down, and understand the situation. People trust the pilot, not so much the gate agents. Passengers seem to always assume we are lying. This is why I say the prestige and glamour of the airline pilot career is still there, pilots just don't notice it, because passengers don't always show it. Passengers are too cought up in the hustle and bustle of life, and getting where they are going, to stop and admire pilots. But, they still do. I've seen children come off of airplanes, smiles from ear to ear, proclaiming that the pilot said "hi", to them. I've seen adults stand, waiting for their "gate checks", listening intently, and very intrigued, during a crew swap, as the two crews stop to briefly discuss flying, and the trip over. I think pilots are part of the chain, in providing service to the customer, and I think customers appreciate it, when able, if pilots talk to them, and let them know what is going on, even if nothing more, than to just say, "hi". [quote=B767Driver;806942] Quote:
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So burning a little gas make you a slob? On my aircraft that about 60 lbs of fuel. I do not give a damn if I burn 60lbs of extra fuel. I can't recall on departure more than once going completely the opposite direction as we are supposed to in 5,000+ hours so that seems like a non event to me. Following SOP and flying with in profile is professional. When I see some on float outside the the touch down zone to grease it on that is unprofessional. I think making PA announcements while taxiing which is an obvious violation of sterile cockpit is unprofessional. Nothing wrong if there is a delay to keep people informed. At our company it would be bizarre to say the least if a pilot used the CSA's PA. I understand a lot of people get a hard on from putting on a uniform and releasing a lot of hot air over a PA and think that is professionalism. If thats your opinion, thats just great.
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| Old Skool | I'll have to side with Chris on the PA in the gate area. As a gate agent, I've never had a Pilot on the PA, but that is because we don't have one. Just going up to explain things calms a lot of people down. The passengers have a LOT more respect for the pilots than the gate agents. They think we are lying fools, and they think its cool that you guys get to fly airplanes.
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There have been a few times where we have arrived at our destination to find a line of storms moving through. In a few of these instances, we decided it was more prudent to hold and wait for the storm to pass at the destination, thereby letting us get to our intended point of landing safely. When you are holding halfway between your destination and alternate waiting for a storm to pass, are you going to land below minimum fuel if you wait for ten extra minutes and divert? No. The same goes for situations where you might have had to go-around for a non-weather related reason. Say a traffic conflict, or an unstabilized approach. On your flight computer, it says that you only have enough fuel to get to your alternate and have 45 minutes of reserve fuel. Do you have to divert, or can you burn another couple hundred pounds of fuel to go fly another approach? Quote:
You are totally correct in saying that some airplanes burn more fuel flying slowly. It is a balance. You really need to know your airplane. As far as ground operations... Yes, handling gate assignments and turning airplanes is their problem. As a Captain I am not responsible to do their job for them, but there is no reason to make their job more difficult than it already is.
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The other day, a buddy of mine had diverted due to storms in Houston. The controller at their station told them and two other airplanes to get the engines started, they were releasing everyone with 30 miles in trail. They called for taxi right after the other airplanes, but now were 60 miles in trail of them for arrival. Even 30 seconds makes a big difference sometimes. The people that haven't boarded your flight aren't your problem per se, but they are still your customers. As a Captain you are not only a leader on the airplane, but you are also a leader within the company. Going up to the gate to give the customers an explanation for what's going on helps calm them down and understand. Not knocking CSAs at all, but let's be honest: Most pilots can explain a maintenance delay much better due to the fact we fly the airplane.
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| Aside from the other reasons FlyChicaga mentioned, where I work, our fuel saving efforts out on the line directly contribute to the size of our yearly bonus, so perhaps I'm a little more aware of sloppiness. But I understand, you are entitled to your opinion and I am not. Got it. |
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Apples to oranges, IMO. Diverting for WX is different than being vectored back around in the terminal area after a non-weather related go around. If I'm holding for WX, and I hit bingo fuel, I'm done. I've seen too many time where ATC plays the "5 more minutes" card or the "You're next in." Going into STL with a t-storm approaching the field, ATC didn't even have a plan for what they wanted to do. Asked if they wanted us to hold on the arrival as published, and they said "Nah. Just fly present heading. We'll get you in." 2 minutes later, they wanted us on the other side of the storm for holding. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I just don't trust 'em anymore. Quote:
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| Old Skool | I agree with pretty much everything Flychicaga said. With regard to the whole "slow down so you're not waiting for a gate", that may not be completely applicable to other airlines but it's definitely a smart idea for us and is almost being demanded by the chief pilots (bad juju if you arrive more than 10 minutes early on certain flights). I especially dislike it when I get to fly with "chatty kathy" who constantly asks about the rides on the radio.....especially the guy who doesn't talk to the other pilot before asking random questions to ATC. Listen to the frequency for a minute or two and the odds are someone else will answer your questions for you. Overall, well said. |
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