SKYW Pay package results

[DV8Pilot]

The results of the pay proposal vote are in. With 2376 of pilots participating the totals are:

1669 For (70.2%)

707 Against (29.8%)

The pay proposal has PASSED.

I'm one of the 707... oh well guess thats what happens on the EMB.

[surreal1221]

How cute.

Congrats guys!

[bike21]

Lame.

Time to polish up the resume, this pilot group of ours is getting old real quick.

[PCL_128]

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[BobDDuck]

I know.. I know... most of the guys on this site are probably in the 707, but as an airline, you guys suck. Thanks a bunch for making our upcoming negotiations that much harder.

[junior]

508 pilots didn't vote. COOOOOL!

Our 200 rates are as good as ASA but what really chaps my ass is the BHO and the COLA (1% UP YOURS!) At least the guys at SAPA are getting a nice raise, LAME!

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by junior

508 pilots didn't vote. COOOOOL!

Our 200 rates are as good as ASA but what really chaps my ass is the BHO and the COLA (1% UP YOURS!) At least the guys at SAPA are getting a nice raise, LAME!

That would sealed the "no" deal for me. 1% isn't even gonna keep up with inflation. Essentially, those that voted "yes" voted for a pay cut every year.....

[Hootie]

I voted no for this one and the last one. The 1% COLA just really bugs me.
Kellwolf, I dig the avatar.

[falconvalley]

That's why I'm not applying to SkyWest even though it would mean no commute for me. Seriously, you guys deserve better than that.

[bike21]

Originally Posted by falconvalley

That's why I'm not applying to SkyWest even though it would mean no commute for me. Seriously, you guys deserve better than that.

Or you could come over and join the apparent minority and help us make this a better place We need everyone we can get!

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by bike21

Or you could come over and join the apparent minority and help us make this a better place We need everyone we can get!

It seems to be a lost cause. Better to just stay away.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by falconvalley

That's why I'm not applying to SkyWest even though it would mean no commute for me. Seriously, you guys deserve better than that.

I know it's a better deal to go be a street captain at Mesaba than to come be an FO at Skywest. But even without this crappy pay raise, skippers at Skywest make more in every aspect on every seat aircraft than Mesaba guys. Best of luck to you wherever you end up, but lets keep it real.

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by Hootie

I know it's a better deal to go be a street captain at Mesaba than to come be an FO at Skywest. But even without this crappy pay raise, skippers at Skywest make more in every aspect on every seat aircraft than Mesaba guys. Best of luck to you wherever you end up, but lets keep it real.

You can't put a price tag on dignity and self-respect.

[jtrain609]

True dat! Congrats guys, thanks for the help on our rates in 2010.

[Foxcow]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

You can't put a price tag on dignity and self-respect.

I guess 70% of that pilot groups price is really low. The fact that this passed is a slap in the face to the industry. Kudos.

[bike21]

One thing to keep in mind here is that this was an interim amendment to our current 'agreement'. No, I am not being a management apologist and notice I said 'agreement' not 'contract'. Nothing has really changed except a few more pennies per paycheck. The blinds were pulled over the first and second year FOs and they were conned into thinking this was a good proposal. Bummer.

Try as some of us might, we haven't been able to rid our ourselves of this stupid BHO deal and educate the young portion of our pilot group. Our time will come though, when the growth stops and the Kool-aid starts to taste sour. They will finally see past themselves and realize this is an industry-wide challenge and we all need to work together.

Honestly overall, it is a good place to work at. While we do have a lot of good things going for us, it is certainly not perfect (show me an airline that is) but there is a committed core of individuals trying to change things for the better. Once we slow down hiring and get the Kool-aid drinkers weened off, I think we should launch a fresh ALPA drive. It might be tough to time it correctly, but it can work.

As long as I am with this company, I will continue to work toward making it a better place. Not only for our pilot group, but for everybody involved out there. I grow tired of the hard line rhetoric, honestly it accomplishes very little if anything at all. I could spend my time talking trash about other airline's woes and shortcomings but I would rather focus on the positive and work together toward a better future. But that is just me.

To the 'noobs' reading all this stuff here at JC, do not let yourself get caught up in the day to day negativity. It is rampant in this industry and will eat you alive. There are some folks who will never be happy with their professional lives and will happily bring you down with it. Don't get sucked in and avoid the 'holier than thou' attitudes. Work hard, stay focused, get educated, keep your chin up and try to do the right thing.

Peace.

[surreal1221]

I really wonder sometimes if the way SKW treats it's employees (as I'm sure the pilot group is not the only group that gets the shaft) has anything relation to the fact that they are a Utah based company, that may potentially be ripe with Mormonism running through the companies blood stream. Are mormons pro-labor or anti-labor?










(haha - very marginal )

[jtrain609]

How about you just come out and say you hate religion, Josh? That's how you feel, and I think that's what you're really digging at here.

I don't think the fact that Skywest is a Utah based company has ANYTHING to do with this. I've lived in Utah and Texas, and the Mormons out in Utah have been MUCH more hands off on my life than the Christians in Texas were, and I work for a Texas based company.

[PCL_128]

Uh oh! Are Josh and the Train going to throw down over religion? Hold on, let me get some popcorn!

[junior]

Originally Posted by bike21

One thing to keep in mind here is that this was an interim amendment to our current 'agreement'. No, I am not being a management apologist and notice I said 'agreement' not 'contract'. Nothing has really changed except a few more pennies per paycheck. The blinds were pulled over the first and second year FOs and they were conned into thinking this was a good proposal. Bummer.

Try as some of us might, we haven't been able to rid our ourselves of this stupid BHO deal and educate the young portion of our pilot group. Our time will come though, when the growth stops and the Kool-aid starts to taste sour. They will finally see past themselves and realize this is an industry-wide challenge and we all need to work together.

Honestly overall, it is a good place to work at. While we do have a lot of good things going for us, it is certainly not perfect (show me an airline that is) but there is a committed core of individuals trying to change things for the better. Once we slow down hiring and get the Kool-aid drinkers weened off, I think we should launch a fresh ALPA drive. It might be tough to time it correctly, but it can work.

As long as I am with this company, I will continue to work toward making it a better place. Not only for our pilot group, but for everybody involved out there. I grow tired of the hard line rhetoric, honestly it accomplishes very little if anything at all. I could spend my time talking trash about other airline's woes and shortcomings but I would rather focus on the positive and work together toward a better future. But that is just me.

To the 'noobs' reading all this stuff here at JC, do not let yourself get caught up in the day to day negativity. It is rampant in this industry and will eat you alive. There are some folks who will never be happy with their professional lives and will happily bring you down with it. Don't get sucked in and avoid the 'holier than thou' attitudes. Work hard, stay focused, get educated, keep your chin up and try to do the right thing.

Peace.

Well said Nick....

I still don't understand how 500 pilots didn't care to vote on their own pay???????

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I don't think the fact that Skywest is a Utah based company has ANYTHING to do with this.

You're wrong John. But that is a discussion you and I can one on one.


I guess I need to make a sticker that says "39%er and 29%er". I am shocked this passed. I thought for once we were going to get together as a pilot group.

[jtrain609]

I'd love to, Chuck. We're skiing on the 11th and 12th, you down?

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I'd love to, Chuck. We're skiing on the 11th and 12th, you down?

Flying the 11th and driving to the airline ski race on the 12th. Soon though

[jtrain609]

I've gotta get with you about that whole airline ski race stuff, I'd love to get involved in it one of these days.

[MusketeerMan]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I really wonder sometimes if the way SKW treats it's employees (as I'm sure the pilot group is not the only group that gets the shaft)....

Since it appears you know Josh, how are SKW employees treated? No, I don't work for them, but of the 15 or so I know well that do fly for them, they don't feel mistreated, regardless of what passes and doesn't pass. Let's hear from the SKW drivers on here...are you treated badly? Just curious to what those that actually know have to say.