Colgan ALPA ?

N422NM · August 21st, 2007, 14:43

Hearing reports that they vote was lost by 4 votes...?

155 needed for ALPA, only 151 recieved >

Confirm ?

Doug Taylor · August 21st, 2007, 14:45

Confirmed.

Van_Hoolio · August 21st, 2007, 14:46

That's terrible news.

SmitteyB · August 21st, 2007, 14:49

Crap.

Kingairer · August 21st, 2007, 15:13

You need to get some of Bush's people to count the votes.

dingo222 · August 21st, 2007, 15:45

yeah, count the hanging chads

Cruise · August 21st, 2007, 15:47

I'm truly disgusted by the apathy that is COLGAN.

I can't tell you how many people said to me that they weren't gonna vote because it was going to pass anyway.

4 FREAKING VOTES! Very Disappointing!

Thanks guys/ gals for allowing management to win by default. We've certainly sent a message to them......do whatever you want because we just don't care about our futures. Nice job!!!!

Please please please.......anybody looking for street captains??? How about a nice major FO job??? 'Cause I can't wait to get out of here before the #####-storm begins.

On a side note, does anyone know how long we have to wait for a re-vote?

dingo222 · August 21st, 2007, 15:54

i think the revote thing is in one year. seggy would know more. just to play devils advocate, why would people choose not to vote? Lazy, thought it was a shoe in? maybe some weren't voting for mgmt, maybe they just didn't want alpa in light of the usairways and united pilots trying to get rid of them. Who knows. Hopefully alpa and the OC will find out why people voted or didn't, so this doesn't happen next time.

Cruise · August 21st, 2007, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by dingo222

i think the revote thing is in one year. seggy would know more. just to play devils advocate, why would people choose not to vote? Lazy, thought it was a shoe in? maybe some weren't voting for mgmt, maybe they just didn't want alpa in light of the usairways and united pilots trying to get rid of them. Who knows. Hopefully alpa and the OC will find out why people voted or didn't, so this doesn't happen next time.

Absolutely, I don't have a problem with those that didn't vote because they didn't want ALPA. That's their right to choose.....no problems there. Although I don't agree with them.

HOWEVER, I do have a problem with the apathetic people who were in favor of ALPA representation but did absolutely nothing about it. HOW HARD IS IT TO CALL AN 800 NUMBER AND PUNCH A COUPLE NUMBERS WHEN PROMPTED????? This is also the problem with the current voting apathy in general government elections as well. My vote doesn't count......my candidate isn't going to win anyway.....I don't feel like making a decision.....blah blah blah.

dingo222 · August 21st, 2007, 16:05

i hear ya man. Sucks for all the OC guys that put in all the hard work.

higney85 · August 21st, 2007, 16:12

Well Uncle Phil is happy as hell over this.... I am sorry for you guys at Colgan- you are now going to be pawns (in my opinion).. I can see PNCL and Colgan being used as leverage against each other. I am not knocking Colgan- heck I am at PNCL, but for both sides the 2% in ALPA dues would have been some very cheap insurance. I wish the colganites the best...

SmitteyB · August 21st, 2007, 16:45

Can you re-vote for another representative? Teamsters?

surreal1221 · August 21st, 2007, 16:50

Sorry to hear this news gents. I know you all tried very hard to get this one.

Maybe next year?

Sorry Cruise, Seggy, and all other Colganites.

kellwolf · August 21st, 2007, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by higney85

Well Uncle Phil is happy as hell over this.... I am sorry for you guys at Colgan- you are now going to be pawns (in my opinion).. I can see PNCL and Colgan being used as leverage against each other. I am not knocking Colgan- heck I am at PNCL, but for both sides the 2% in ALPA dues would have been some very cheap insurance. I wish the colganites the best...

Well, this serious makes our scope clause grievance a BIG deal now. Same goes with any scope language in our new contract, which management is trying to erode every time they show up at the table. There's a chance with the failed ALPA vote at Colgan that the word "staple" might be tossed around. At the VERY least, Colgan is gonna become the whipping post of the Pinnacle Corp family. If I were doing research into which regional to go to right now, Colgan wouldn't be very high on the list due to the uncertainty of what's gonna happen when management (note NOT the Colgans but PINNACLE management) starts digging in over there. If it weren't for the CBA we have in place here at PCL, I probably woulda been long gone from this airline, living in base or not.

Cruise · August 21st, 2007, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Well, this serious makes our scope clause grievance a BIG deal now. Same goes with any scope language in our new contract, which management is trying to erode every time they show up at the table. There's a chance with the failed ALPA vote at Colgan that the word "staple" might be tossed around. At the VERY least, Colgan is gonna become the whipping post of the Pinnacle Corp family. If I were doing research into which regional to go to right now, Colgan wouldn't be very high on the list due to the uncertainty of what's gonna happen when management (note NOT the Colgans but PINNACLE management) starts digging in over there. If it weren't for the CBA we have in place here at PCL, I probably woulda been long gone from this airline, living in base or not.

Sorry for the ignorance....but what's a CBA?

kellwolf · August 21st, 2007, 17:07

Collective Bargaining Agreement.....aka what you would have had if 4 more people had actually let their fingers do the walking.

Cruise · August 21st, 2007, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Collective Bargaining Agreement.....aka what you would have had if 4 more people had actually let their fingers do the walking.

Wouldn't that have been special!

amorris311 · August 21st, 2007, 18:01

dude that is some horrible news. i would have loved to have had the chance to work there. fly tp's but now that dream will stay a dream. you guys put in a lot of hard work and it did not pay off. sorry to see that pilots shot themselves in the foot. best of luck in the coming months.

bike21 · August 21st, 2007, 18:31

Sorry to hear it guys. Hang in there!

H46Bubba · August 21st, 2007, 18:43

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess those that didn't vote or voted no are gonna learn the hard way and will be prayin for the next ALPA vote if there is one! Sorry guys!

Get that TPIC and ge the hell out of Dodge, before the #### hits the fan.

dvtpilot · August 21st, 2007, 18:49

Damn sorry to hear it didn't work out for you guys. I was hoping it would go through. Best of luck in the future!

Rocketman99 · August 21st, 2007, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess those that didn't vote or voted no are gonna learn the hard way and will be prayin for the next ALPA vote if there is one! Sorry guys!

Get that TPIC and ge the hell out of Dodge, before the #### hits the fan.

YGBSM!!! I'm still waiting for someone to post that this was all a bad joke and the drive really didn't fail. Geez. We're all <insert expletive here> now. Thanks a lot to all those that didn't vote "because it'll pass no problem." Unbelievable.

kellwolf · August 21st, 2007, 21:00

Heh. If anyone wants Phil T's home address....I've got it.

MQAAord · August 21st, 2007, 21:19

Wow.

mattp1803 · August 22nd, 2007, 02:11

This is not cool...

Sorry guys/gals at Colgan. I was hoping this would all work out for you all.

August 21st, 2007, 14:43	#1
N422NM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 36-44-28.5000N / 108-13-47.8000W Posts: 521	Colgan ALPA ? Hearing reports that they vote was lost by 4 votes...? 155 needed for ALPA, only 151 recieved > Confirm ?

August 21st, 2007, 14:45	#2
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Confirmed. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

August 21st, 2007, 14:46	#3
Van_Hoolio Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Des Moines, Iowa (based in IAH) Posts: 1,076	Re: Colgan ALPA ? That's terrible news.

August 21st, 2007, 14:49	#4
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,957	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Crap.

August 21st, 2007, 15:13	#5
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,187	Re: Colgan ALPA ? You need to get some of Bush's people to count the votes. __________________ "I do not proofread"

August 21st, 2007, 15:45	#6
dingo222 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The 'ville Posts: 474	Re: Colgan ALPA ? yeah, count the hanging chads __________________ It's ok to cry; this is going to hurt

August 21st, 2007, 15:47	#7
Cruise Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SYR, ABE Posts: 2,360	Re: Colgan ALPA ? I'm truly disgusted by the apathy that is COLGAN. I can't tell you how many people said to me that they weren't gonna vote because it was going to pass anyway. 4 FREAKING VOTES! Very Disappointing! Thanks guys/ gals for allowing management to win by default. We've certainly sent a message to them......do whatever you want because we just don't care about our futures. Nice job!!!! Please please please.......anybody looking for street captains??? How about a nice major FO job??? 'Cause I can't wait to get out of here before the #####-storm begins. On a side note, does anyone know how long we have to wait for a re-vote? Last edited by Cruise; August 21st, 2007 at 18:01.

August 21st, 2007, 15:54	#8
dingo222 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The 'ville Posts: 474	Re: Colgan ALPA ? i think the revote thing is in one year. seggy would know more. just to play devils advocate, why would people choose not to vote? Lazy, thought it was a shoe in? maybe some weren't voting for mgmt, maybe they just didn't want alpa in light of the usairways and united pilots trying to get rid of them. Who knows. Hopefully alpa and the OC will find out why people voted or didn't, so this doesn't happen next time. __________________ It's ok to cry; this is going to hurt

August 21st, 2007, 16:05	#10
dingo222 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The 'ville Posts: 474	Re: Colgan ALPA ? i hear ya man. Sucks for all the OC guys that put in all the hard work. __________________ It's ok to cry; this is going to hurt

August 21st, 2007, 16:12	#11
higney85 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Memphis,TN Posts: 519	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Well Uncle Phil is happy as hell over this.... I am sorry for you guys at Colgan- you are now going to be pawns (in my opinion).. I can see PNCL and Colgan being used as leverage against each other. I am not knocking Colgan- heck I am at PNCL, but for both sides the 2% in ALPA dues would have been some very cheap insurance. I wish the colganites the best...

August 21st, 2007, 16:45	#12
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,957	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Can you re-vote for another representative? Teamsters?

August 21st, 2007, 16:50	#13
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,734	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Sorry to hear this news gents. I know you all tried very hard to get this one. Maybe next year? Sorry Cruise, Seggy, and all other Colganites. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

August 21st, 2007, 17:07	#16
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,833	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Collective Bargaining Agreement.....aka what you would have had if 4 more people had actually let their fingers do the walking. __________________ "I'm The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life!"

August 21st, 2007, 18:01	#18
amorris311 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles soon to be phx Posts: 2,545	Re: Colgan ALPA ? dude that is some horrible news. i would have loved to have had the chance to work there. fly tp's but now that dream will stay a dream. you guys put in a lot of hard work and it did not pay off. sorry to see that pilots shot themselves in the foot. best of luck in the coming months.

August 21st, 2007, 18:31	#19
bike21 Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: People's Republic of Boulder Posts: 2,292	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Sorry to hear it guys. Hang in there! __________________ Free SAPA! (and Tibet) ____________________ www.glenntilton.com

August 21st, 2007, 18:43	#20
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,319	Re: Colgan ALPA ? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess those that didn't vote or voted no are gonna learn the hard way and will be prayin for the next ALPA vote if there is one! Sorry guys! Get that TPIC and ge the hell out of Dodge, before the #### hits the fan.

August 21st, 2007, 18:49	#21
dvtpilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 509	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Damn sorry to hear it didn't work out for you guys. I was hoping it would go through. Best of luck in the future! __________________ CRJ FO \| P2P Rep. \|

August 21st, 2007, 21:00	#23
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,833	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Heh. If anyone wants Phil T's home address....I've got it. __________________ "I'm The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life!"

August 21st, 2007, 21:19	#24
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,396	Re: Colgan ALPA ? Wow. __________________ PPL SEL 100-ish hours TT Former American Airlines F/A (12 months) Former Simmons/Eagle F/A (6 years) Former Eagle ground school instructor (1 year) Former Eagle IOE instructor (3 years)

August 22nd, 2007, 02:11	#25
mattp1803 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Union, Kentucky (CVG area) Posts: 614	Re: Colgan ALPA ? This is not cool... Sorry guys/gals at Colgan. I was hoping this would all work out for you all.

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